Why are recent Muppets tries all flops?

[Billy R. Hinshaw]

Why do you think?

I have two reasons:
1. They don't SING anymore! If they did, they'd be a lot more popular. I'm sure that there is another Joe Raposo or Jeff Moss somewhere out there. The Henson company just isn't trying hard enough to find them. Music played so well a huge, important part in the old movies, and if they can't put music into the picture anymore, then they should just stop trying. "Muppets From Space" was okay because it complied with my second point below, but it was a half-flop because of NO SINGING! And what do those dumb music producers do? They just steal other hits, put it into the movie, compose a bunch of ELEVATOR music to use as the score, and when there's finally a new recording of Dave Goelz as Gonzo singing a remake of "I'm Going Back There Someday," it doesn't even appear in the movie whatsoever!!"
2. The main characters of the Muppet movies are not MUPPETS anymore! Why was "The Muppet movie" so good and appreciated? Because Kermit the Frog looking for stardom in Hollywood was the main concept, and Kermit was (and still is) a MUPPET! Why was "Great Muppet Caper" a great movie? The main characters were Kermit, Fozzie, and Gonzo, and though they weren't playing themselves necessarily, they were still MUPPETS! Why was the "Muppets Take Manhattan" so great? The main plot was about KERMIT's struggles, KERMIT's feelings, KERMIT's failures, and he was a MUPPET!! This is the main reason that Muppet movies these days are so bland: because it's not about the MUPPETS anymore; it's about humans! "Muppets from Space" is an exception, since it was about Gonzo, but the other movies were not so well loved because the MUPPETs were not the subject. IN a MUPPET movie, a HUMAN is not supposed to steal the show!
A MUPPET is!!! And if those ABC writers and producers disagree with my opinion whatsoever because of this or that, they can KISS MY HAIRY ***.

That right there is my opinion of why the Muppets' late work SUCKS!!!

But that's just my opinion.

What do you think?

 

[That Announcer]

Why do you think?

I have two reasons:
1. They don't SING anymore! If they did, they'd be a lot more popular. I'm sure that there is another Joe Raposo or Jeff Moss somewhere out there. The Henson company just isn't trying hard enough to find them. Music played so well a huge, important part in the old movies, and if they can't put music into the picture anymore, then they should just stop trying. "Muppets From Space" was okay because it complied with my second point below, but it was a half-flop because of NO SINGING! And what do those dumb music producers do? They just steal other hits, put it into the movie, compose a bunch of ELEVATOR music to use as the score, and when there's finally a new recording of Dave Goelz as Gonzo singing a remake of "I'm Going Back There Someday," it doesn't even appear in the movie whatsoever!!"

They sang several songs in MWoO. I too despised the music in MFS, but they did sing in MWoO. Oh, and in the (admittedly bad) KSY.

 

[DanDanStrawberry]

OK. Not to be a fly in the ointment, but I loved the [all-be-it covered] music in MFS. And, a mon avis, Everyone Matters is one of the best muppet songs to date. So that's me done with.

 

[MWoO]

AVMMC was great. I would not call it a flop. I owuld say it was the best new production, especialy cosidering it was the first time I heard Eric doing Frank's characters. I watch it just to hear his Fozzie and Piggy and to see Scooter back after awahile. Having Fozzie and Piggy interacting with Kermit and Scooter being a big part of the theater action really brought me back to TMS days. While it was not "the same" it was darn close and good.

So they aren't all flops. Going back to the theater with a "real" story makes for a good movie.

 

[dwayne1115]

I have to aggre i dont think AVMMXM was a very good movie becaues the muppets where home and themselfs. Plus they had a hard time and Kirmit lost his cool and lost all hope and everything he almost quit!!!! Kermit seemed more reall in that movie sence TMM or TMTM where they aculy had some drama in what they did. Thats where i think the muppets have lost there magic, not only are they funny yes they are but they have more then comody going for them. Here is a list of some great muppet moments that show them with other emotinns other then educating or making people laugh that where great.

1. The Muppets Celebreat Jim Henson: This was such a wonderfull show, when they all found out Jim was gone, and you could really almost hear Gonzo start to cry reading the letter from the child.

2. Big Bird learning about Mr. Hopers Death: This was a very very emotional time for all espcaly when Big Bird didnt realize Mr. Hopper was comming back.

3. The Weeding Secne in MTM : Even though it was still a play you could really see that Kermit loved Piggiy and the same for Piggiy. They both fought hard to be together and that was really what the whole thing was about

4. Kermit sinnging "It's Not easy Being Green" A wonderfull song that is full of deep emotion.

5. Folow that Bird: This movie makes me cry everytime i watch it. To really think that Big Bird would leave SS forever is a very sadding thought. The songs in this are so wonderfull and heart warming.

This is just a few and i really think that if the muppets want to do better they need not just be funny but show other emotiions to.

 

[GregJ]

Muppet Flops..

The Muppets need to STOP doing their versions of other peoples' films. Whenever I see anyone doing a parody I think, 'Okay they're not smart enough to come up with a premise of their own, so they're going to rip off someone else's idea.'

The Muppets need to STOP trying to be 'edgy.' It isn't apropriate for any muppet to make jokes about nipples. It just comes across as vulgar & parents watching with their kids certainly won't approve, & will probably think twice before letting their kids watch Muppets in the future. Muppets are NOT vulgar or edgy, they're sweet, funny & goofy.

The Muppets need to start SINGING & DANCING again.

Cut back on all the characters: Center the stories around Kermit, Piggy, Fozzie & Gonzo. I know everyone loves Pepe, so have him jump in with a funny comment now & then. But Kermit should always play the lead. I didn't care for MFS just because Kermit took a back seat to Gonzo. Gonzo is funniest when he jumps in ocassionally & says something bizarre (but not vulgar).

Get some NEW WRITERS. I thought the script for MFS was absolutely terrible, poorly structured, nothing but parodies of this movie & that movie, UGH.

 

[Beauregard]

Sorry, allow me to dissagree. Don't get new writers whatever you do. Get the OLD writer!

And, you are correct, it's about Singing, and Dancing, and Making People Happy!

 

[GregJ]

Well, when I say new writers I really don't mean NEW writers. I mean people other than the ones who wrote MFS.

 

[Billy R. Hinshaw]

Sorry, allow me to dissagree. Don't get new writers whatever you do. Get the OLD writer!

OLD writers for SONGS would be top priority if I were to direct a Muppet production, but that would be a hard thing to do because some of the old writers are either 2 things:
1. They're DEAD (vis-a-vis Raposo and Moss, RIP)
2. Like Frank Oz, they just don't want to.

I also want to admit my mistake, noting that there was some singing in "The Muppet's Wizard of Oz", but it was mostly out of taste for a Muppet movie because the star stole the spotlight.

Another thing about the Muppets is: their movies, whether feature or television, should be okay for a 2-year-old to watch. My two-year-old brother and I were watching "The Muppets Wizard of Oz", and when the scene with Oz came on, he became scared, and started to cry. Even at the spaceship scene from "Muppets From Space" once, he got scared. So, seeing that on TV, I did the only sensible thing to do: put in "Muppets Take Manhattan", because I knew that he wouldn't get scared from anything in that movie.

 

[BEAR]

I have to aggre i dont think AVMMXM was a very good movie becaues the muppets where home and themselfs. Plus they had a hard time and Kirmit lost his cool and lost all hope and everything he almost quit!!!! Kermit seemed more reall in that movie sence TMM or TMTM where they aculy had some drama in what they did. Thats where i think the muppets have lost there magic, not only are they funny yes they are but they have more then comody going for them. Here is a list of some great muppet moments that show them with other emotinns other then educating or making people laugh that where great.

1. The Muppets Celebreat Jim Henson: This was such a wonderfull show, when they all found out Jim was gone, and you could really almost hear Gonzo start to cry reading the letter from the child.

2. Big Bird learning about Mr. Hopers Death: This was a very very emotional time for all espcaly when Big Bird didnt realize Mr. Hopper was comming back.

3. The Weeding Secne in MTM : Even though it was still a play you could really see that Kermit loved Piggiy and the same for Piggiy. They both fought hard to be together and that was really what the whole thing was about

4. Kermit sinnging "It's Not easy Being Green" A wonderfull song that is full of deep emotion.

5. Folow that Bird: This movie makes me cry everytime i watch it. To really think that Big Bird would leave SS forever is a very sadding thought. The songs in this are so wonderfull and heart warming.

This is just a few and i really think that if the muppets want to do better they need not just be funny but show other emotiions to.

You are contradicting yourself a little which made me confused in your first paragraph. I am sorry. Just read your first line. You don't think it was a good film because they were playing themselves? Also, Big Bird realizes that Mr. H. is NOT coming back. Sorry to be picky but I soo confused.