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The biggest hypocrisy of the wholes sexual assault thing is that Billy Bush lost his job over the video, yet Donald get nothing.
This is something I've been saying for years.

If a celebrity says something racist or homophobic, their career is over. If a politician says something racist or homophobic, they get voted into office. The guy from Grey's Anatomy called one of the cast member's the F word and he was shamed out of Hollywood for the better part of a decade, and basically apologized his way back into some independent movie no one saw. Mel Gibson said something anti-semetic when he was drunk, and while that didn't spell the end of his career, his racist rant to his ex-wife or ex-lover did. Even when they planned to give him a cameo in Hangover 2, Zach Galafanakis made darn sure he didn't. By comparison, they were okay with Mike Tyson who committed sexual assault when he was younger and famously bit a guy's ear off having that same cameo, because at least Mike managed to try and make himself a better person.

I get the fact that we vote often with our wallets, and I'm glad that on the level of entertainment networks worry about losing sponsors and viewers when one of their talent goes wrong. First thing that happened to Drumph when he called Mexicans "rapists" (pause for irony) was that NBC cancelled his TV show and refused to carry some pageant he hosted (and presumably would have busted into the dressing rooms to ogle like a dirty old man). A few months later they let him on SNL to appear in a sketch full of non-jokes, and then a full year later they let him appear on Jimmy Fallon. Way to keep that punishment.

And that's pretty much one of the reasons why I didn't want to vote at all this election. Even if it was Bernie instead of Hillary, I'd still be uncomfortable voting for him, if only because he doesn't even look like he'd survive even a first term - reminding me very much of my previous primary doctor, who was well into his 80s (and had been practicing since he was twenty-one) and literally just dropped dead one day a number of years back.
Bernie is the kind of cranky old Jewish man who would outlive us all. But frankly, he's more likable, more electable, and he was getting the young people passionate enough to bother voting. It's an assumption to say he be leaps and bounds beyond Drumph in the polls, but certainly there wouldn't be a statistical dead heat every 2 weeks. I really wish she didn't run. I was dreading her running since 2008, and I really wish she just freaking quit trying after Obama got the nod. I'll admit when she did get the nomination I wasn't too ticked off, I liked her then, but the way this election is going, I'm only voting for her as a spite vote against Drumph. NOT because I actually care that she's in league with the banks or that she's actually conservative or anything like that. The fact that she can't stop tripping over her *&^% feet, screwing things up hard, and barely being able to beat an opponent that's basically a cartoonish left wing parody of a right wing parody of a Captain Planet villain.

But, things are looking even worse for Hillary now: even the Democratic party is now trying to urge her to bow out of the race and let her running mate step up to the plate instead.
Here's the thing. If that is indeed true, that makes them look worse. They're the ones that told her to run, who wanted her to run, and (if the conspiracy theories are true, which they kinda are) made it so she won the nomination, despite the fact that (again) they knew the right wanted them to pick her because she had enough baggage to throw at her. That's the thing I hate about the Dems. They can't stand up for themselves, they can't make themselves look good, they don't know how to talk to the very same blue collar types that vote directly against their own interests, they're willfully unaware there's a massive double standard, and they constantly trip over their own feet. If they truly wanted to say "look how progressive we are" and pick a woman, there's plenty of Democrat female politicians that aren't Hillary.

That said, I don't believe they'd try and talk her out of being the nominee this far into the game. Though, frankly, they should go after the FBI hack that wants to keep the e-mails a thing. And Anthony Weiner for being such a chicken&^%^ pedophile. Thanks for not destroying your phone.

Hillary wants to start a war ... I don't think she's really the lesser of two evils.
Facepalm...

And Donald wants to drop bombs on everyone and has no idea how international policy works. Hillary might star a war, Donald will start several. And if the rest of the world also votes far right, I'm sure all of them would want to start a few with us, too.

This is what I hate about the other side in all this. The liberals that want a perfectly left wing hippy party so bad, they'd throw their votes to an unelectible hot dog and risk getting the party that's completely the opposite of their beliefs rather than put up with a party that at least kinda shares one or two of them. I've heard all the lectures of "we need a third party" before. And yes. Maybe we do need a third party. What we get is like 5 or 6 little parties skimming votes from the left, giving the advantage to the right. Why? When Liberals aren't 100% happy with their candidate, they vote Green Rainbow or Libertarian, Conservatives will vote gladly for whoever's Republican. And that's one nice thing I can say about them. It doesn't matter how badly they screw up foreign policy, the economy, or throw their own voters under the bus, Republican voters are loyal enough to keep voting directly against their own interests. Liberals? Al Gore wasn't far left enough, so they threw all their votes to Ralph Nadar, essentially letting Bush win in 2000...and they whined the loudest when we were forced into Afghanistan and Iraq. And they didn't even say "Jeez! We made a huge mistake on that one! Sorry, this is partially our fault." Nope, they said "I'm proud I wasted my vote to make a statement that no one will hear or care about."

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When the Neo-Cons got in back in 1980, they corrupted both parties. The Democrats are essentially what the Republicans were back in the 60's, the Republican party's been passing the far right event horizon for years, leading to absolute fascism. We're never going to get a full left wing party that's completely anti-war and socialist. And I hear yah. I hate that the Democrats aren't as liberal as they should be. But that's on the country. Obama was essentially a conservative Democrat, and the right called him a commie socialist.

But the fact of the matter is, Hillary is not great and not ideal. Drumph, no matter what the circumstance, is an unacceptable candidate on every level. Even if he's a powerless figurehead that lets Mike Pence do everythin...uh...Mike Pence is a religious nutjob that haaaaaates the heck out of gays and forces women who have miscarriages to throw humiliating funerals for the fetuses. Abortion, whatever....but a miscarriage is already a horrible thing for a woman to go through. Humiliating them because Bible is just..horrendous. Hillary may suck, but I HATE the Gaston/Judge Frollo ticket.
 

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When Liberals aren't 100% happy with their candidate, they vote Green Rainbow or Libertarian, Conservatives will vote gladly for whoever's Republican. And that's one nice thing I can say about them. It doesn't matter how badly they screw up foreign policy, the economy, or throw their own voters under the bus, Republican voters are loyal enough to keep voting directly against their own interests.
The right is almost essentially it's own form of fascism. As I've already said, I cannot believe that there's actually women voters across the country who are still supporting Drumph after all of the lewd, nasty, sexist, and inappropriate things he's said about them . . . so why are they still supporting him? Because he's their party's candidate. And again, if you look at some of these women are supporting him, you know he'd call them "fat pigs" and rate them from 0-3 to their faces, because they certainly don't measure up to his ridiculous and cheauvenistic standards of beauty.

But you know, the real problem isn't so much who's president as it is who's controling the House, and despite Obama being our president for eight years, Republicans have had control of the House all this time, and you know what? They've spent those eight years shooting down all of Obama's plans to improve this country because they don't like his "bleedin' heart" policies since there's nothing in it for their own selfish gain. I'm surprised "Obamacare" actually got through, but they've worked so hard to fight it to the point they actually, within the last year, finally took the matter to court to reverse it. They've even made ads about it: you seen the ambulance racing down empty streets, and suddenly these cars pull out of nowhere, into the ambulance's path and slow it down. That's essentially what the fight was: the ambulance was "Obamacare" trying to provide healthcare to someone who needed it, and the mystery cars were the Republicans trying to stop it. Heck, when bin Laden was finally captured and killed, under Obama's command, the Republicans had the nerve to award that distinction retroactively to Bush, saying this victory was for him (since bin Laden was a wanted man already when he was still in office). Oh, and how gas prices have been the cheapest they've been in years, and the job market has been improving? Notice how not one ounce of credit goes to Obama for it, when gas shot up as high as $5.00 a gallon in some places when Bush was in office. Oh yeah, then there's the whole matter of the recession, to which the Republicans said, "Obama didn't inherit a bad economy, he created it." Even though the recession already happened in 2007, when Bush was still in office.

Oh, and need we return to the subject of stricter gun laws? How many mass shootings have we had in this country just in the last year alone? And everytime it happens, Obama delivers a speech about why we need to enforce stricter gun laws to try to prevent this from happening, and everytime he does, the far right is all, "Noz! Obummer tryin 2 tak r gunz away! He infringing teh Constatooshun! He da wurst prezident evr!" And, of course, all these incidents involving white cops killing black people? Even in the hours after the fact, the right immediately spews out the racist venom of things like, "This is black people's fault anyway because they hate white people," and "America brought this on itself for wholesale importing blacks into this country in the first place." And of course, whenever there's a Black Lives Matter protest, the right immediately follows suit with a Blue Lives Matter protest.

I confess that when it comes to issues, there's only one issue that I actually agree with Republicans on, and that's putting a stop to abortion. Other than that, every other issue, the Republican mentality is that their stances on them is whatever works best for their own benefit, and not that of the American people.
 

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The thing is, this election is frightening, not because it's a matter of Democrat or Republican. It's a matter of an election that's being rigged by a foreign country to sucker in hate groups into voting a puppet government. How is it that Russia's a bigger menace to us now as a far right supposed democracy than it ever was as a communist dictatorship? I love how the very same FBI director that let Clinton off somehow succumbed to pressure from right wing watchdog groups (akin to Dick Dastardly whining about Peter Perfect kinda cheating when he himself does nothing but cheat) and hacked e-mails from some joke of a politician who should be in freaking jail for being a sex offender. YET, it's very clear and obvious that Russia is behind all the hacks and trolling, and they're paid by the government to meddle in our election but...nope...no story there. The FBI isn't going to go after Drumph for colluding with Russia. Heck, only thing that was done was whatever South American country Julian Assange was hiding in took away his internet privileges.

We're living in The Manchurian Candidate. That's what's going on. Putin clearly wants to take over the world, as he invaded Ukrane and props up Syria's dictator who mustard gas bombs his own people. Now he's paying some computer dorks in Russia to influence our election. And nothing's being done about it. I love how some on the right are comparing this to Watergate. And it totally is...because someone's breaking into e-mails of a political opponent and cheating to win an election. Only difference is, the ones releasing private information are getting away with it, and who they've stolen the info from are the ones in trouble.
 

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At the risk of double rant posting, the fact that the new polls either have Clinton in the margin of error, neck and neck, or losing by a couple points this freaking close to the election has been my breaking point. Like when you have food poisoning and you think everything is out, but it's still coming out? I'm sure by now, you caught on that I'm furious with everyone about this. I'm even furious at myself for not being able to find enough of a good paying job to be able to move to another country. And it doesn't matter, as I'm mad at other countries that are falling to absolute scum of human beings because of voter apathy, ready to get their own Brexit/Drumph bullcrap.

I know what you're thinking. That I should be more angry at the Republicans for being the party of fearmongering poor people into voting for a party that would grind them up into pet food for the CEOs' purebreds if they ever had the chance, and for themselves being that special kind of bully that's good at picking on weak, pathetic, outright wimps that can't defend themselves, but cower in terror when someone bigger and more powerful than them threatens them ever so slightly. And yeah. I'm totally ticked off they cowered to the possibility of splitting the vote to a third party that was designed to weed out extremist scumbags that shouldn't be allowed to vote. As much as I get schadenfreude from the fact their 60's era Southern Strategy they never backed down from is backfiring spectacularly, even though they're too cowardly and egotistical to do anything significant about it. And Southern Strategy, need I remind you, is when the Dems started giving a crap about Civil Rights and the Reps wanted to cork the bat by pandering to the racist scumbags instead of ignoring them and having them stay home on election night and grumble themselves into an irrelevant stupor.

At this point, I'm only mad at the fact they care only about the forward movement of their own party over the concerns of the people who are suckered constantly into voting for them. Also and especially that instead of making their own guy more likable (something that can't be done), they're willing to make the other party's nominee look worse. And in doing so, they hope to turn away enough voters (usually undecided MORONS) who'll go back to the "I'm smart because I don't fall for either's logic and they're both perfectly exactly to the billionth decimal point microscopically terrible" nonsense. In other words, we can't win even playing by our own regular levels sense of unfairness and double standards, let's just spoil so everyone hates both of us. Seriously.... Every *&^&% election. Stop spoiling. And for that matter, stop falling for their spoiling. The bully in the class is still the bully in the class, the obnoxiously smart (or rather thinking she's smarter than she really is) student that gets all A's and irks you for it isn't going to push you in the mud and laugh at you. She'll snub you, she'll correct your grammar, she'll remind the teacher she forgot to give out homework, but she'll never physically hurt you or give you a nickname that you think you'll get over as an adult, but then said bully will always drive around town looking for you to shout it as he cowardly drives away.

But I just can't get mad at a CRAP political party that has a history of being CRAP and resorting to CRAP techniques and doing a CRAP job when they get in, and blaming the CRAP on everyone else any more than I would get mad at a dog that CRAPS on the carpet the same place every time. They're underhanded and self righteous and cast hypocritical judgement knowing that the voting public either doesn't care or is too darn obstinate to point out their own party freaking hates them but uses them anyway. I've been saying for years the Reps have been going past the moral event horizon, and apparently, they're still going. They'll never stop going. We'll always have a Drumph running for president for their party now.

Now, as quickly as I can, I'll just repeat the people I'm really angry at. First off, I already said, the dipstick general public un-DUHHHHH-cided voters who constantly fall for the Rep's spoilering...sure. One party releases attack ads to defend themselves from the countless garbage the right wing media hurls. Sure. But again, yeah. keep thinking "Der, they're both exactly as awful" makes you sound smart. It freaking totally doesn't. That's obvious and out of the way. The conspiracy theorist tin foil hat turdwpies that don't trust the government, yet believe everything they hear otherwise from paid turdwipes who make money off of how gullible they are. Because don't trust anyone, but trust the heck out of someone telling you to trust no one. Just...don't freaking vote if you can't trust the government, form you own country of crazy idiots to ruin with a lack of basic knowledge. Just watch out for your "don't believe anything" friends who will try to usurp you from power. Screw them. Real conspiracies are out in the frigging open and we all know them. The freaking Social Justice Warriors who are more intent to boycott a company's clumsy, accidental racism and sexism than they would stop a politician who's racist and sexist who has racist and sexist followers who will perpetuate actual hurting people racism and sexism. Yeah cuz...ohhhh...those Disney Moana costumes you weren't going to buy are sure hurting people. Uh... the FBI coward who only opened the e-mail case back up out of the pressure from right wing "transparency for everyone but us", yet won't do a darn thing about the Russian hacks that at best are because of a mad man dictator paying his country's tax money to prop up a puppet government or at worst is a sickening act of HIGH TREASON to have an American political campaign collude with. Also, said right wing Watch Dog groups that totally are fine with Iran Contra, the Iraq War, popping up various dictators that we oh so have to go back and clean the messes up, and their own party being as transparent as a block of cement encased in a block of lead encased in another block of cement. Yeah. They don't totally exist to cheat for their own party. Let's see, who else...oh yeah. The Mainstream media who gave Drumph thousands of hours of free advertising, and claim to have no bias when they really have a bias of not being bias. And then caving in to Right Wing surrogates who, everytime their pwecious widdle muffin says something or does something horrible defensively shout out "Why isn't the media covering the e-mails?" by then covering the friggin e-mails whenever they can. Yeah. Uh...this freaking jerk wants to create liable laws to sue you for speaking out against him, if you're liberally biased this time we'll totally forgive you. The left wing independent media that says "sure, Clinton has issues and we agree, but this guy is worse, he cannot be allowed to win and the lame scream media is so afraid of bias they made the public hate them equally to seems fair," and then posts 5 or 6 Youtube videos about how bad Clinton is. Hey. Uh... wanna wait until after she's safely in office to crap all over her, no matter how rightfully so you are? The goldfish-minded that somehow can keep the three Clinton scandals fresh in their mind, but can't remember any of the thousands of shady deals alone the other guy has, let alone the hateful crap he says, does, and the hateful groups he doesn't even denounce because he's benefitting from. Message boards for still being a thing and being the prefect way for these incredible failures of human beings gather to become even worse people because that's where worse people meet to be radicalized. Kinda like the terrorists you're so freaking afraid of, so you're in no league better than them.

But MOST of all, I'm furious at the Democrats. I've never actually openly hated them, but this election has made me disgusted by their hubris and stupidity. They don't know how to tell poor people they're on their side. The chicken out when they try to be on their side. They can't defend themselves or stand up for themselves. They can't market themselves in any way to be presentable. Especially frustrating because their rivals spend a fortune to rename good things to sound scary and bad things to sound great (I.e. Inheritance tax is now "death tax" because "inheritance" makes it sound like dead rich white guy's greedy spoiled kids would have to pay taxes which they would be). They can't even get people who believe in their politics to like them. They're too darn cowardly, chickencrap, and oh so concerned about everyone liking them that they can't even stand up for their beliefs once they're elected. And yes. That's partially on the other guys, who by contrast, tell their voters what they want them to want to hear (as in "screw your own interests! Anything that can help you afford to live comfortably by working a low wage job is commynisms! Rich guys getting more money is in your direct benefit!), and abide by it. That stuff was mildly annoying before. But the fact that they let a LOADED candidate with a LOADED history run. Just...letting her run. Sure, unlike the "Newt Gingrich, we luuuuuuuv yoooooooouuu! Republicans, the disgusting sex crazed cheating on a cancer stricken wife candidate (John Edwards) is dead to you. I give you credit for that. But you let someone run that you directly knew the opposition party was sabotaging for years (and yes, some of that may arguably be deserved), even when her husband was president? How freaking stupid can you be? How lacking in any form of self awareness is possible to not say "hey, yeah... uh... know how they were trying to make Benghazi a thing when they ignored the dozens of embassy bombings under their guy? That's obviously a trap. Sorry you're not always a bridesmaid here, but we kinda want to win this thing, so...let someone else get in the ring, please." Know why Drumph's campaign team didn't pick Chris Christy as a running mate? Because they knew his mafioso tactics in the Bridgegate scandal would hurt him. Sure, that happened much later, but even the freaking party that over time created a gap for a Nazi-propaganda using candidate to fill had the foresight to not get a scandal plagued candidate, even one who lied his way out of the wrap and double standards dictate nothing's ever going to happen to him. Not even they weren't dumb enough to give the opposing party fuel against them. I'm, furious that they even planned to push her hard because they felt oh so bad that she was upstaged by someone who WON twice no matter how hard the right wing propaganda machine was running against him. You know why we didn't get McCain/ Hybrid of Bobby's Mom from Bobby's World and Starscream for 8 years? Because Obama was likable. I'm also furious at Hillary herself for having the ego to run over the foresight to know that she's been falling into GOP traps for years, and the little white kid with his hand in the cookie jar lies she tells when something looks against her favor instead of owning up to it. I'm angry at the DNC for trying to shove Bernie under the bus, and the old and/or feminist Dems for not voting for someone who was polling ahead of every candidate. And yes! I'm even angry at Bernie for basically showing the party that they had someone better, leading disillusioned brats to not support the party against the party they're usually against. Just...everyone...everyone.

We have a chance to stick up for a democracy, as crummy and flawed as it is. We're failing at it badly against freaking hate groups, entitled morons that think every school shooting is a conspiracy to take away their guns, and even a foreign dictatorship that's somehow more frightening as a right wing pseudo-democracy than it ever was as a Communist country during the Cold War. This isn't about right or left wing. But it doesn't matter anymore. We're going to lose the country because we're freaking dumb enough to let the word "e-mails" get to us so badly that the words following it, usually "that really don't reveal much for the most part and even the suspect stuff isn't that bad really shouldn't matter as this is a witch hunt," sink into our heads. Even if you believe she's corrupt, the guy who ran failing businesses is far more corrupt than we can even know. At least. If you actually give a crap about racism, sexism, rape victims, gay rights, transgender rights, and all those social values that most of the country believe in, you'll swallow your pride, vote for a mediocre candidate to outright spite the worst person in this country to ever run for office, and spend 4 years of at worst delaying the inevitable long enough to have some real ideas to fix things without the governments help. If you still think they're both exactly the same, you're just as bad as his supporters for not stopping them from getting political relevance. I do not want to Godwin's law and all, but Hitler didn't take over Germany because everyone was pathetic and hateful enough to buy into him. It was because the only ones energized enough to do anything were the vocal minority that let him come into power by apathy.
 

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Dude, if this is you now, God help you when you get to be my age.
 

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If I don't get a heart attack next week if the guy wins, I'll live to your age.

So now it's revealed that Drumph's supporters are Anti-Semitic as well. Don't see why they didn't bring this up months ago, but...yeah. I take it back, this is exactly like how Hitler came into power.

Sigh.... had to be her.
 

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You know, it shouldn't, but it surprises me because if the Jewish really controlled the media, you'd think they'd be all over this instead of "More Hillary E-mails!!!!!!!! Boy is she untrustworthy."

Still... this should have been news at least weeks ago. I was predicting that he or his followers would say something Anti-Semitic at some point. I was also predicting that was the last straw, but he appears to be a camel with a 4th dimensional pocket. I'd say if anything is an indication of how little of the media the "Zionists" control, it's not verbally slaughtering this guy on the 24 hour news cycle instead of having a "no bias" bias. By all means, that alone should have him trailing in the polls by double digits. Then again, when Obama's bombastic pastor condemned the wars, that was national news, but one of McCain's cloest Christian backers said horridly Anti-Semitic things and the "Jew run Media" said nothing about it. I love that the very same thing that these far right guys believe is disproven by the lack of them being called out on it in the news.

Mel Gibson made an Anti-Semitic movie about Jesus (you know, the Jewish Jesus Christ, would we want to follow him if he worshiped himself?) and said "Jews are responsible for all the world's wars" when being pulled over for drunk driving. And while that didn't exactly kill his career, he was badly hurt by it. And again, Michael Richards flipped out like a lunatic at two black hecklers, and...aw, who am I kidding. His career was already over. That just cinched it.

That said, side rant. I love how Alex Jones went on BBCTV to defend the second amendment with the lame "Hitler came into power because he took away their guns" excuse...only to say "the Jews control the media and the banks." So...wait... Hitler was bad because he killed the same people you speak of and for the same reasons you believe? Oh, I get it. You only pretend not to hate other religions and races when it works in your favor. You...you can't cry "Hitler" when you're losing something and then turn into the same belief system of him and his followers (and by extension a bunch of bored, greedy nincompoops from the 1800's) when they're riling up their idiot base. And no. Hitler didn't come into power because he took away guns, he came into power because of people like Alex Jones who actually believe mindless conspiracy theories as excuses for why they suck so freaking bad at everything.

Also, the irony of the far right saying Obama was like Hitler because they're a bunch of whiny crybabies who didn't get what they were told they wanted, basically following someone who came into power like Hitler did should be delicious.

No. No its not.
 

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So now that Hillary's email scandal has gotten even worse again, unless something equally damaging were to happen to Drumph in the days to come, I'm more afraid now than ever that he'll win the election.
 

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So now that Hillary's email scandal has gotten even worse again, unless something equally damaging were to happen to Drumph in the days to come, I'm more afraid now than ever that he'll win the election.
Two words: Electoral College. Hillary is still leading.
 
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