• Welcome to the Muppet Central Forum!
    You are viewing our forum as a guest. Join our free community to post topics and start private conversations. Please contact us if you need help.
  • Christmas Music
    Our 24th annual Christmas Music Merrython is underway on Muppet Central Radio. Listen to the best Muppet Christmas music of all-time through December 25.
  • Macy's Thanksgiving Parade
    Let us know your thoughts on the Sesame Street appearance at the annual Macy's Parade.
  • Jim Henson Idea Man
    Remember the life. Honor the legacy. Inspire your soul. The new Jim Henson documentary "Idea Man" is now streaming exclusively on Disney+.
  • Back to the Rock Season 2
    Fraggle Rock Back to the Rock Season 2 has premiered on AppleTV+. Watch the anticipated new season and let us know your thoughts.
  • Bear arrives on Disney+
    The beloved series has been off the air for the past 15 years. Now all four seasons are finally available for a whole new generation.
  • Sam and Friends Book
    Read our review of the long-awaited book, "Sam and Friends - The Story of Jim Henson's First Television Show" by Muppet Historian Craig Shemin.

When you need to rant...

The Count

Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 12, 2002
Messages
31,305
Reaction score
2,947
Last name alphabetization is when you establish you're going to use that method overall or for encyclopedic purposes.
If you're using first name alphabetization then stick with it and don't do a half-*** job of using first name first last name last and then stick in first name first last name last going by last name alphabetization like:
F is for Lucius Fox.
G is for Commisioner James Gordon.
H is for Harvey Dent.

Pick one or the other, but don't combine them at the same time.

And Casey, if we're going to get technical... If we use first name first method to classify Bunsen Honeydew in the B's and Dr. Teeth in the D's, well, then someone will say we're forgetting that Bunsen's full name and title is "Dr." Bunsen Honeydew, so they should both be in the D's; Bunsen before Teeth, the way I have it in all my Muppet Listings threads.
 

CaseytheMuppet

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 28, 2010
Messages
2,623
Reaction score
1,160
That would be the best way to organize it! I hadn't even thought of that! :smile:
 

D'Snowth

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2003
Messages
38,849
Reaction score
12,814
I hate whenever I come to name characters of mine, I always try to give them names that you don't hear very often, especially for fictional characters... then after all is said and done, then suddenly, that name is everywhere: it's bad enough that the reality chick became THE Bethany instead of Steve's gal pal, but one character (who admittedly hasn't been put to use yet) I named Carlye... now look at all the Carly's we have out there: iCarly, Carly Rae Jepsen, even Carly Sanderson (s'okay Angie, lol).
 

newsmanfan

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2011
Messages
2,886
Reaction score
1,661
----------
Go back about 150 years. Them's some awesomely bizarre names. I use records of my own family tree sometimes. For instance, had a distant relation whose middle name was R. Just R. Dorothy, Geraldine, Rufus, Abelmarle...great material!

----------
 

Drtooth

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2002
Messages
31,717
Reaction score
6,710
I hate whenever I come to name characters of mine, I always try to give them names that you don't hear very often, especially for fictional characters... then after all is said and done, then suddenly, that name is everywhere: it's bad enough that the reality chick became THE Bethany instead of Steve's gal pal, but one character (who admittedly hasn't been put to use yet) I named Carlye... now look at all the Carly's we have out there: iCarly, Carly Rae Jepsen, even Carly Sanderson (s'okay Angie, lol).
You know what's worse than using uncommon names? Using common names. You literally cannot come up with a common first and last name that sounds natural. it sounds silly no matter what.

Bob Johnson. That sounds so fake. Those are 2 common names together and they sound fake.

Now for MY rant.

How the heck come no one realizes our runaway capitalist system is broken? Simple. They need better proof. What's the best proof? Those B.P. funded Gulf Tourism ads. They've been running them for 2 years now. I've long been annoyed by these corporate PR stunts that they use to make us forget the terrible things they do that clearly cost more money than fixing the problems they're talking about.

I'm not even talking about the oil industry and the "we donate money to schools to research alternative energy" when they in reality they donate money to schools to suppress alternate energy technology. I'm just annoyed by the fact that a company that bought a cheap oil rig (made by a certain construction company that does infamously crappy jobs and had a certain vice president as a former CEO), paid off officials because they were too stubborn, greedy and impatient to get a licensed inspector to inspect a potentially explody thing, refused to pay to clean it up until Obama angrily told them to pay for their own disaster (which was funny because the right wanted him to take the blame for the disaster because he got political money from them, but called forcing the company to pay for their stupidity "shaking down an honest business" talk about double standard), and basically showing as much disregard to all the people they screwed over (especially their snot CEO)... basically making commercials to say "See? We did good! Go visit these people who we almost put out of permanent work because we're cost cutting, people hating, trust fund morons."

I swear... they spent MORE money on these PSA's to say they did a world of good by barely cleaning up after their completely irresponsible clusterfudge than they did cleaning up after it. And paying for oil rig rental... and paying off officials so they don't have to follow any regulations. because following regulations and rules and being a responsible corporate citizen is COMMYNISMS! :sigh:
 

D'Snowth

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2003
Messages
38,849
Reaction score
12,814
You know what's worse than using uncommon names? Using common names. You literally cannot come up with a common first and last name that sounds natural. it sounds silly no matter what.

Bob Johnson. That sounds so fake. Those are 2 common names together and they sound fake.
Is that kind of like how so many characters out there right now have the weirdest sounding names you've ever heard? Walden Schmidt. Pierce Hawthorne. Axl Heck.
 

CensoredAlso

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 16, 2002
Messages
13,453
Reaction score
2,291
You know what's worse than using uncommon names? Using common names. You literally cannot come up with a common first and last name that sounds natural. it sounds silly no matter what.

Bob Johnson. That sounds so fake. Those are 2 common names together and they sound fake.
Personally I'm still annoyed that Television still seems so hesitate to use ethnic last names for characters. Unless it's The Sopranos of course which I think says it all right there, heh....
 

D'Snowth

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2003
Messages
38,849
Reaction score
12,814
Personally I'm still annoyed that Television still seems so hesitate to use ethnic last names for characters. Unless it's The Sopranos of course which I think says it all right there, heh....
Which is rather odd, considering that there's an unwritten rule of sorts that says all new television series HAVE to include at least ONE ethnic character as part of the regular cast. What's-his-name from Parks and Recreation is a big example of this (sorry, don't watch most of modern TV, so I'm not familiar with him).
 

D'Snowth

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 8, 2003
Messages
38,849
Reaction score
12,814
Another mini-rant on certain DVDs:

Sometimes when you select one particular episode, or whatever to watch, then when it finishes, the other episodes on the DVD after it still automatically play, rather than returning you to the menu.

This seems to usually be a problem on more cheaply made DVDs.
 

Drtooth

Well-Known Member
Joined
Apr 16, 2002
Messages
31,717
Reaction score
6,710
Which is rather odd, considering that there's an unwritten rule of sorts that says all new television series HAVE to include at least ONE ethnic character as part of the regular cast. What's-his-name from Parks and Recreation is a big example of this (sorry, don't watch most of modern TV, so I'm not familiar with him).
Ethnicity in the media is... I dunno... I can't explain how tricky that subject is. We can't have all white casts. That's not realistic, and it drives some people who aren't Caucasian NUTS!

So we have one of two options...

Clumsily add ethnicity into a show, via personality devoid characters that never have anything funny or important to say or create a sitcom (of varying quality) featuring an all ethnic cast that fails to get a white audience and gets canceled quickly (what happened to the Cedric the Entertainer show on Fox back in the day was a crime).

Luckily, I think they're doing a MUCH better job with ethnicity these days. Most of these shows, the characters are completely organic... The Office and Parks and Rec have different races co-mingling as organic and genuine as real life is.
 
Top