What is your least favorite Muppet Movie?

[Twisted Tails]

Undoubtedly "The Muppets".

Eh... no! I disagree with your statement. They were some stuff that should never been used in the movie such as the "fart shoes" and I found that unfunny but it was kind of funny hearing the gag toward the end of the movie.
The worse Muppet movie would be "Muppets' Wizard of Oz!" 'Nuff said!

 

[Drtooth]

Undoubtedly "The Muppets".

And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we need a dislike button.

 

[mr3urious]

The Muppets certainly has its issues, what with awkward editing and its putting too many characters into the movie, not to mention the somewhat dull human leads (IMO). But I wouldn't call it the worst Muppet movie I've ever seen, or the worst thing to be associated with them.

 

[Drtooth]

The Muppets certainly has its issues, what with awkward editing and its putting too many characters into the movie, not to mention the somewhat dull human leads. But I wouldn't call it the worst Muppet movie I've ever seen, or the worst thing to be associated with them.

I agree. To lift a movie that, for better or worse, brought back the franchise instead of killing it off (and we have 2 different movies to thank for that) to the levels of suckitude of MWO and KSY (which I haven't seen, but have heard nothing but terrible things) is hyperbole.

But frankly, what makes a Muppet movie the worst? Looking at the other post-Henson films, there are a lot worse things than anything this movie did.

MCC and MTI both suffer from unavoidable, and perfectly forgivable work arounds, considering these were the first post-Jim and Richard films. MCC focuses more on human characters due to the lack of usable characters, and MTI makes up for that with wackier new characters specific to the film. There's nothing really objectionable to both of them but not being films where the Muppets played themselves and that MCC is a little dry.

MFS suffers from all over. It's not really a bad movie, I enjoy it and all (but grow myself being drawn closer and closer to MTI). But there was a general apathy from Henson and Sony (especially Sony) over the film. The script had multiple, worried, fussy hands in it. They tossed out a bad director for another bad director. I mean, when he did Nickelodeon stuff, it was okay... but the guy's magnum opus was the first Chipmunks movie. The newer characters, Gonzo, and Rizzo saved the film. Kermit and Piggy were just there. You could have done the entire film without them, and it would have been exactly the same. Again, it's not a bad movie for what it is, but it's a disappointing movie for what it could have been.

VMX suffers from being a 2002 movie. You know, back when people actually liked Scary Movie, and Family Guy made pop culture jokes instead of having the characters just be mean to each other. The rapid fire parodies and at the moment cultural references drag this film waaaaay down in the dated department, but there are some great kernels of Muppety stuff in there. It was, overall, a step in the right direction and came out when the possibilities of Muppet projects were endless.... just not showing up.

KSY (again, can't give a personal spin) suffers from being a little kid's movie because, well... it was supposed to be a little kid's TV series. They figured eh and it became a film instead. I hear terrible things.

EIG (eh, throw this in here) suffers from being a can't miss lock of an idea. A character who rode a huge wave of popularity, at the very start... just... preschool based movies never do well at the box office. it hit its stride on home video, because that's the best place for 3 and under crowds. Not a theater. As for the quality of the film, the huge probelm with the movie is the same huge problem with Elmo's World. It didn't need to be interactive. There's "Hey a Movie" type fourth wall breaking, and there's the Blues Clues angle they just had to go with.

And the moment you've all been waiting for. MWO. No secret that I hate this film, so I'll just go over the basics. 1) Poor casting. A non-actor in the lead. What could possibly go wrong? 2) Did we really need another retelling? And one of that story? We had a LOT of great sounding potential telefilm/DTV prospects back when VMX was a ratings smash. It's a sore point that they picked such a weak project, and a worse point that unlike the other retellings, the writing wasn't sharp or charming. 3) While VMX is a completely dated film for it's pop culture overload, it did the job back in 2002. Oz didn't. Oz was them trying way too hard to make VMX, instead of capturing lightning in a bottle made jokes about Kelly Osborne. And nipples. 4) The over all look is disgusting. One minute it's Rainbow Brite Neon Marker colored (in a flawed homage to the 30's film) then it becomes sickly blue green with a nice feel of despair, and finally, it becomes a freaking dark Japanese horror/snuff film. And always at horrid Batman 66-esque angles. The defense of the film I've heard is "it's faithful to the book." That's the only defense I've heard. If it's not the worst thing the Muppets were associated with, it's in the top 3.

 

[antsamthompson9]

Drtooth, watch the movie yourself. Trust me, it's not THAT bad.

 

[beatnikchick300]

And that, ladies and gentlemen is why we need a dislike button.

Because no one should be able to express an opinion on a message board if it's an unpopular one. That would be, like, the end of life as we know it. On the other hand, opinion myopia makes me wish for a dislike button, so...

 

[Drtooth]

Because no one should be able to express an opinion on a message board if it's an unpopular one. That would be, like, the end of life as we know it. On the other hand, opinion myopia makes me wish for a dislike button, so...

While I agree you have a point, there's a difference between saying "I don't like something" and "This is the worst."

No one's asking him to like the movie, but it's complete hyperbole to call it the worst. It has problems, sure. But are those problems behind the scenes with everyone just groaning through the entire film? Are they aesthetically hard to look at? Then it isn't the worst, it's a least favorite. There's a difference. Saying "The Muppets was my least favorite" is an opinion. Saying it's the worst is masking opinion as fact.

Plus, lazily just saying "hands down" instead of actually giving good reasons doesn't add to the conversation.

 

[CensoredAlso]

So it's hyperbole. Say you disagree and move on.

It is obviously an opinion. People state their opinions as facts every day. Rest assured, it changes nothing, lol. It is simply how human beings speak.

 

[D'Snowth]

I have to add, Drtooth, that you're actually utilizing that trope Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch. Or, in this case, movies you don't watch. You said so yourself that you base your opinion on KSY all on what everybody else has said, which has been nothing but negativity.

I'm with Anthony, I think you should give it a watch at least just once before you decide it's a bad movie; I honestly don't find it to be as bad as everybody makes it out to be.

 

[Drtooth]

It is obviously an opinion. People state their opinions as facts every day. Rest assured, it changes nothing, lol. It is simply how human beings speak.

That's the problem right there. Worst and Best aren't equal to favorite and least favorite. In the way quality and personal taste are different things.

I have to add, Drtooth, that you're actually utilizing that trope Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch. Or, in this case, movies you don't watch. You said so yourself that you base your opinion on KSY all on what everybody else has said, which has been nothing but negativity.

I'll try it one of these days and probably enjoy it. It's just hard to want to see a movie that someone says is lousy. Unless it's so lousy that it's indescribable that you have to see it for yourself. And then you regret it. I don't expect it to be all that bad, and it's probably much worse than it sounds. I agree that to fully give it a look will be to fully comprehend it.