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The Muppets SPOILER Thread

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Muppy, Sep 9, 2015.

  1. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    They have so much potential, and they are just not using it. It's like tey are falling into one of the same traps Muppets Tonight fell into with very little music.One song pre show is way to little.
  2. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I just feel this show is suffering with all the Piggy centric stories and Kermit slowly getting back with Miss Piggy. We need more of Bobo and The Newsman selling girl scouts cookies that was golden, Gonzo doing stunts, Fozzie running off, The Electric Mayhem out on the road, all of this just isn't there in these new episodes they don't have the energy that they had before, and it's just Miss Piggy and her stuff.
  3. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I also think that one major issue is trying to re work some of the Muppets personalities. They have been established characters for years, and to change even the smallest thing about them can hurt viewership.
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  4. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Like can you give me an example is it before or after the reboot?
  5. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Kermit throughout the whole season has been different from say The Muppet Show days.
  6. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    I mean I would cut the writers some slack, it's not like they can capture the exact character, but Kermit was pretty mean sometimes during the TMS days, but has he really been that different in the show than like in TM'11 or MMW, he seems the same.
  7. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    No it's not him being mean it just seems like he has lost his chemistry with the other Muppets.
  8. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    what they need to do , is look back at the Muppet show and study the characters personalities from back then . and make those personalities more adult, and take it from there.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    As opposed to the no music at all from the beginning of the series.

    The writers are trying to juggle the sitcom format with a variety show format. No argument there. There wouldn't be an audience even if they were doing an exact retread of the original series. They'd get bored and still say "they raped my childhood" no matter what they do. The show has seen mark improvement since the break, even just before it. They're going to have an occasional off episode because every show does. I've never seen a show crush it 100% of the time.

    That said, if this show does get canned, there's pretty much nothing else we're going to see for a while. The same critics that whined about this show being different are the same that whined about MMW for not being different enough. I'm not going to wait around 5 years for a crummy TV movie with the occasional lame TV Talk show appearance.
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  10. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I like TV movies though ... lol I'd rather have some TV movies written by Kirk Thatcher than an actual show to be honest
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    TV movies are nothing to get excited about. The last one was rubbish, and the prior one did have some good in it, but was bogged down by Scary Movie style humor, dated references (who'd've thought only the line about missing Spongebob would've been the only to hold up?), and forced vertical integration of NBC shows and stars. We'd be seeing a lot more of that, frankly. Or something overly sappy like LTS.

    And I'm not even going to speak on Kermit's Swamp Years...first of all, seeing as I never actually seen the whole thing, and secondly, while I usually like to watch and judge things myself, the word of mouth on it is terrible.

    A TV show was the logical decision. It's not ABC's fault that audiences are fickle and the mainstream only likes Muppets (outside of t-shirts and coffee mugs) once every 10 years. And it's certainly not the fault of those who thought they'd try something new instead of making a lame retread of the original series. ABC and Disney are pushing this thing real good...duh nah nuh nuh nuh dah nuh nuh nuh..ooh push it...push it real good. The older viewers want their formulaic computer hackers fighting turrrrrists, the younger ones either don't want to watch anything not on a phone or at least only watched the show until The Flash came back (which, at least that show is respectable, I'll probably switch to that once the show's over). And those who actually wanted to see The Muppets only really wanted the exact same show. And part of them have valid complaints, the rest of them are just ticked off that Cookie Monster isn't singing Mahnah Mahnah with an aging celebrity.
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  12. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I've finally gotten the chance to watch the promo for "Got Silk?" and I notice that it opens with the announcement that "The Muppets are on EW's Must List!" What the...? When did that happen? Anybody know???
  13. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    I'm one of the few that likes VMX, MWOO, LTS and KSY. They're all guilty pleasures. I'd like another one to add to my collection. :)
  14. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    But usually when the Muppets have a tv movie that means they're not doing so well.
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  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The string of made for TV movies happened under Henson because they were unable to get any bigger projects out there. I think we're all aware of how everything they've been trying the past few years were a hard sell. MWOO, for whatever I can say about it is exactly the path Henson would have taken the characters, and I don't think we'd want to see an increasingly worse level of unoriginal retellings where the Muppets played second, or even third fiddle to some C-list star. Under Disney in around 10 years, 2 movies, 2 specials, and a TV show which, one season or two, is still an accomplishment since it was... (get ready to cry your eyes out for the time difference) 20 years since MT.

    Plus, frankly, I just can't get excited for another one shot TV special/telefilm that will take years to happen. I've been very patient with this franchise, even through the EMTV days. I remember the level of anticipation and hope after VMX only to hear about near misses until the follow up feature length television special. There was rumblings of a series of different television shows in between that time, one of them getting an actual presentation pitch. And our hopes were dashed when, after poor reception to that certain telefilm, Disney threw everything Muppety under the bus. That movie was a poor indication of what Disney could do with the characters, especially since they had no involvement in it and it was in production just before the sale.
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  16. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Whether or not I like these new episodes as much as before, this show better not get cancelled, if it does then it's basically the end, they tried movies and TV and if that doesn't work than we're done, what else are they going to do with the muppets, this sadly might end up being the reality.
  17. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    They could always do more YouTube videos. Those usually get lots of attention. By the way, where are the Pigs in Space videos? Shouldn't they be out by now?
  18. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Here's a behind the scenes photo.


    Looks like we're getting Camilla back.
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  19. Muppy

    Muppy Well-Known Member

    That picture looks amazing. Its perfect becuase it's showing what I want from the show. The Muppets doing things in their lives but with a muppety twist (in this case Gonzo is dining with Camillia while she is pecking at her phone). So much awesomeness is in this photo. I love it.
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  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd be a lot less worried if this were a Looney Tunes Show/Wabbit situation and ending the show would lead to another in a couple years. That's probably not the case.

    But frankly, I shouldn't be this burned up about the show being all but cancelled, but I am. It's not the fault of ABC or Disney. They tried to promote the heck out of this series, and I believe if it was any other sitcom, they wouldn't even have aired the last 6 episodes until the summer months where they can dump them. And given ABC's history, they kept renewing The Drew Carey Show and Botched Eye Surgery with Fart Noises According to Jim specifically as summer dump month filler. The writers were trying to give the audience something new, then they tried to give them something familiar, and still the show didn't find an audience. The only thing I'll blame ABC for is thinking that moving the timeslot to not compete with New Girl (which baffles me how much it keeps getting renewed, it's not that good a show), only for it to backfire as Fresh off the Boat is a weak lead in (and it shouldn't be, but that's a HUGE rant I don't want to go into right now), and people stopped giving a crap about Agent Carter 2 episodes into this season. I'm wondering if overrated New Girl and actually dang awesome but put on a crappy time slot for a midseason pile of crap on Sunday Nights Brooklyn 99 are boosting that awful John Stamos "hey! He's old but doesn't look it" vehicle.

    By all means, the fact they're no longer running against a singing competition (which is still a thing...thanks tweenagers) and they've addressed the complaints and caved into them, the show should have gotten at least a small boost in ratings enough to maintain. It didn't. Can't say regional primary coverage is helping the matters.

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