The Muppets Kitchen with Cat Cora

[Drtooth]

I agree he is more of a Sesame Muppet, i thought that when i first saw him. Just doesn't look right for a Classic Muppet thing.

The more I think about it, I actually wish Angelo was a Sesame Street character. I could see so many sketches with him and Cookie Monster... or even Mr. Johnson.

 

[frogboy4]

I will just disagree slightly here, because while re-establishing the family of the main Muppets is important, its also important that we are not left with a Simpsons-esque cast of about 21 characters that cannot be developed any further. Adding some new characters now while re-building leaves room to continue to add more characters in the future without it seeming jarring.

Also: BEAUREGARD! BEAUREGARD! BEAUREGARD!

I am particularly tickled about Animal's bit of added depth in the form of his relationship with his bunny roommate. It brings out something new in an established character and I hope to see more of it.

 

[Duke Remington]

Angelo's okay. I just kind of see him as Muppet created by committee like Poochy from Itchy and Scratchy.

Talk about an unfair comparison...

Sorry, Frogboy, but it's time to stop picking things apart and start enjoying things for what they are.

 

[frogboy4]

Talk about an unfair comparison...

Sorry, Frogboy, but it's time to stop picking things apart and start enjoying things for what they are.

My last 2 posts have been positive ones so I think you're trying flame an old post even after the subject has advanced because I have a different point of view , but I won't go down that road.

Muppet Central is a place for fans of all ages and not just a promotional tool to cheerlead all projects. There's a lot about this recent project I like and have voiced. Dissecting projects and voicing opinions are what this forum is all about, but personal attacks are not okay. Constructive criticism of an idea, program or character is not criticism of you, a performer or the Muppets in general and I've gone to great lengths to make that distinction. Please use the "ignore-member" feature instead of trying to single-out or censor posts that you disagree with that do follow forum guidelines.

Some new members skip over these so please check out the forum rules here that directly address this sort of issue. I hope we're cool Thanks.

 

[Drtooth]

My last 2 posts have been positive ones so I think you're trying flame an old post even after the subject has advanced because I have a different point of view , but I won't go down that road.

Muppet Central is a place for fans of all ages and not just a promotional tool to cheerlead all projects. There's a lot about this recent project I like and have voiced. Dissecting projects and voicing opinions are what this forum is all about, but personal attacks are not okay. Constructive criticism of an idea, program or character is not criticism of you, a performer or the Muppets in general and I've gone to great lengths to make that distinction. Please use the "ignore-member" feature instead of trying to single-out or censor posts that you disagree with that do follow forum guidelines.

Agreed. I don't want to pick on other members, but Duke and Mupp have been taking every little thing a bit too seriously. I understand there's some troll on some general movie site that gets them angry (we should sympathies, since said troll popped up on the site and belittled everyone on 3 separate occasions, going as far as keeping multiple accounts after the member was banned... the biggest no no in internet forums).... but this is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. We're not belittling what you guys like, we're saying what personal things seem to be awkward. Every project has one.

There are a bunch of things that just don't mesh with this project, and I do appreciate what it is, and it seems like there's been mark improvement in the last 2 episodes... possibly because they wrote and filmed all at once, so things have to evolve further over time. Look at Muppets Tonight. The writers didn't know what direction they wanted to go in until it got canceled in the second season. Sometimes you know what you're doing right off the bat, sometimes it takes a while. There are clear and obvious reasons they went with a new chef character. They probably spent a lot of time structuring this show, and trying to figure out if going with a new character or an old one would work better. Maybe that's why it took some time to get out.

But for me, there are three things that I've had problems with...

1) The Cooking with Cat angle. FIXED: She seems to be a lot looser and more open to wackiness now. I agree the acting is not a strong suit, but I actually didn't expect that. And you gotta admit, She's MUCH better than Ashanti.

2) Angelo. FIXED or in the process of fixing: When a new character is added to anything, show, movie... whatever, there is ALWAYS an awkward period. How will they fit in with the others, will he seem organically there, will it seem like he was added for a certain focus group. How long will they last if they don't last at all. And most importantly, what is the character's personality? It seems like Tyler and the writers are trying to find a voice to make him a little more than the assistant that just asks dumb questions and makes bad jokes (again, a cooking show standby. I've seen it too many times on bad cooking shows) And I think he's starting to develop. Just... this isn't a medium I think he could develop in. I'll say this... I like him better than the two little kids (forget their names) from the Play Allong videos.

3) The site itself FIXED and DOUBLE FIXED: I can actually see the second parts of the episodes now.

Of course, here's what I like and want to see more of

1) The middle cutaway segments. Frankenfurterstein? The Snooggy? This is the highest Muppety content in the show. I almost want to see 2 in every episode.

2) Catastrophy. Unfortunately, there hasn't been enough of this. Just the exploding giant sandwich. We need more Muppets to throw the food around, or even eat up all the ingredients. I'D LOVE to see a monster in an episode just eating everything up when they mention it, leading to the "we already had something prepared." Come on... can't you see Big Mean Carl doing that?

3) Beau's return. Nuff said.

Overall, the only thing I think it's really lacking is more Muppets in the main program. I like when a bunch of rats are running around in the background, and at least want to see more of that. There is chaos, but not really enough, even for an instructional video series. Though I will say I love it a LOT more than the playalong videos from the 80's. I would say don't bother with them, but I think every Muppet fan needs to track down the "Wow! You're a cartoonist!" video somewhere if nothing else to see Carol Spinney performing his OWN characters and drawing at the same time.

You're as funny as Fozzie Bear, however... don't bother.

 

[frogboy4]

Agreed. I don't want to pick on other members, but Duke and Mupp have been taking every little thing a bit too seriously. I understand there's some troll on some general movie site that gets them angry (we should sympathies, since said troll popped up on the site and belittled everyone on 3 separate occasions, going as far as keeping multiple accounts after the member was banned... the biggest no no in internet forums).... but this is CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. We're not belittling what you guys like, we're saying what personal things seem to be awkward. Every project has one.

There are a bunch of things that just don't mesh with this project, and I do appreciate what it is, and it seems like there's been mark improvement in the last 2 episodes... possibly because they wrote and filmed all at once, so things have to evolve further over time. Look at Muppets Tonight. The writers didn't know what direction they wanted to go in until it got canceled in the second season. Sometimes you know what you're doing right off the bat, sometimes it takes a while. There are clear and obvious reasons they went with a new chef character. They probably spent a lot of time structuring this show, and trying to figure out if going with a new character or an old one would work better. Maybe that's why it took some time to get out.

But for me, there are three things that I've had problems with...

1) The Cooking with Cat angle. FIXED: She seems to be a lot looser and more open to wackiness now. I agree the acting is not a strong suit, but I actually didn't expect that. And you gotta admit, She's MUCH better than Ashanti.

2) Angelo. FIXED or in the process of fixing: When a new character is added to anything, show, movie... whatever, there is ALWAYS an awkward period. How will they fit in with the others, will he seem organically there, will it seem like he was added for a certain focus group. How long will they last if they don't last at all. And most importantly, what is the character's personality? It seems like Tyler and the writers are trying to find a voice to make him a little more than the assistant that just asks dumb questions and makes bad jokes (again, a cooking show standby. I've seen it too many times on bad cooking shows) And I think he's starting to develop. Just... this isn't a medium I think he could develop in. I'll say this... I like him better than the two little kids (forget their names) from the Play Allong videos.

3) The site itself FIXED and DOUBLE FIXED: I can actually see the second parts of the episodes now.

Of course, here's what I like and want to see more of

1) The middle cutaway segments. Frankenfurterstein? The Snooggy? This is the highest Muppety content in the show. I almost want to see 2 in every episode.

2) Catastrophy. Unfortunately, there hasn't been enough of this. Just the exploding giant sandwich. We need more Muppets to throw the food around, or even eat up all the ingredients. I'D LOVE to see a monster in an episode just eating everything up when they mention it, leading to the "we already had something prepared." Come on... can't you see Big Mean Carl doing that?

3) Beau's return. Nuff said.

Overall, the only thing I think it's really lacking is more Muppets in the main program. I like when a bunch of rats are running around in the background, and at least want to see more of that. There is chaos, but not really enough, even for an instructional video series. Though I will say I love it a LOT more than the playalong videos from the 80's. I would say don't bother with them, but I think every Muppet fan needs to track down the "Wow! You're a cartoonist!" video somewhere if nothing else to see Carol Spinney performing his OWN characters and drawing at the same time.

You're as funny as Fozzie Bear, however... don't bother.

I agree. We're privileged to have Muppety content to dissect and there's more good in it than not-so-good. There's really nothing "bad" IMHO. A lot of missed opportunities and they appear to be addressing some of them.

One thing that's a little funny to me is that Rachael Ray is listed as a Muppet movie cast member, but not Cat Cora. I guess if there can be more than one Muppet Chef there can be more than one Muppet mentor chef at a time.

 

[beakerboy12]

Of course, here's what I like and want to see more of

1) The middle cutaway segments. Frankenfurterstein? The Snooggy? This is the highest Muppety content in the show. I almost want to see 2 in every episode.

2) Catastrophy. Unfortunately, there hasn't been enough of this. Just the exploding giant sandwich. We need more Muppets to throw the food around, or even eat up all the ingredients. I'D LOVE to see a monster in an episode just eating everything up when they mention it, leading to the "we already had something prepared." Come on... can't you see Big Mean Carl doing that?

3) Beau's return. Nuff said.

Overall, the only thing I think it's really lacking is more Muppets in the main program. I like when a bunch of rats are running around in the background, and at least want to see more of that. There is chaos, but not really enough, even for an instructional video series. Though I will say I love it a LOT more than the playalong videos from the 80's. I would say don't bother with them, but I think every Muppet fan needs to track down the "Wow! You're a cartoonist!" video somewhere if nothing else to see Carol Spinney performing his OWN characters and drawing at the same time.

You're as funny as Fozzie Bear, however... don't bother.

If you've listened to the latest MuppetCast you'll here alot more about Muppets Kitchen then before! With the cutaway segments, we'll be getting loads more! They actually want to keep all those in there! When they were writing Muppets Kitchen they wanted to make it with TMS level of humor, that's why we have Gonzo falling into cheese, Bear on Patrol, and Frankfurterstien! This show may not be all that we hoped but we'll get some of the stuff we hoped for out of it! Sorry if that was cheesy!

 

[Luke]

If you've listened to the latest MuppetCast you'll here alot more about Muppets Kitchen then before! With the cutaway segments, we'll be getting loads more! They actually want to keep all those in there! When they were writing Muppets Kitchen they wanted to make it with TMS level of humor, that's why we have Gonzo falling into cheese, Bear on Patrol, and Frankfurterstien! This show may not be all that we hoped but we'll get some of the stuff we hoped for out of it! Sorry if that was cheesy!

I agree, the actual Classic Muppety content is absolutely fantastic. Seeing the rats in the background and the penguins.

The only problem for me is just the main character which seems to detract from the effect and craziness they are trying to create in the first place. If others don't see it that way, fine, but i honestly think it would work better with just Cat Cora and the Classic Muppets. However, its great fun just as it is anyway, but the idea of forums is to have a constructive opinion.

 

[Drtooth]

If you've listened to the latest MuppetCast you'll here alot more about Muppets Kitchen then before! With the cutaway segments, we'll be getting loads more! They actually want to keep all those in there! When they were writing Muppets Kitchen they wanted to make it with TMS level of humor, that's why we have Gonzo falling into cheese, Bear on Patrol, and Frankfurterstien! This show may not be all that we hoped but we'll get some of the stuff we hoped for out of it! Sorry if that was cheesy!

That's good to hear. The only thing I'm seeing now is that several of these were made at once, and it just naturally happens to any show out there. Something naturally evolve the further down the line something goes. Plus, input from others can strengthen what they have, giving it the focus it needs.

 

[frogboy4]

If you've listened to the latest MuppetCast you'll here alot more about Muppets Kitchen then before! With the cutaway segments, we'll be getting loads more! They actually want to keep all those in there! When they were writing Muppets Kitchen they wanted to make it with TMS level of humor, that's why we have Gonzo falling into cheese, Bear on Patrol, and Frankfurterstien! This show may not be all that we hoped but we'll get some of the stuff we hoped for out of it! Sorry if that was cheesy!

That is great to hear! The Muppety segments and Pepe cut-ins are golden! They don't even need to cook...just send out for pizza!