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The Dark Knight thread.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by peyjenk, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    REALLY? That's incredible! That was one of, IMHO, the best scenes! I can't imagine that scene withOUT Joker clapping! That's just awesome!
  2. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Well-Known Member

    Yup. The Joker clapping along with the cops was a very nice touch.
  3. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Oh I agree! It was stellar! One of the funniest parts, I thought. I really, really need to see this movie again. I hope I get to soon.
  4. muppetwriter

    muppetwriter Well-Known Member

    Man! Do I ever want to post in this thread so badly, because I want to talk about the film as much as everyone else has been on here as of now.

    Unfortunately, I was only able to get a ticket for one of Monday's showings, because practically all of today was sold out!:p Never before, at least since I went to see Spider-Man back in 2002, have I ever had to get tickets in advance for something like this.

    I'll be back on here by Monday night to give my review on the film, but I'm going to refrain from reading any other comments on account of possible spoiler material. I want to go in fresh for this one.;)
  5. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    You're probably not gonna come back and read this post till later Sean, but you're absolutley going to LOVE it.
  6. muppetwriter

    muppetwriter Well-Known Member

    Oh, I know for a fact that I will, PC. :) My brother and I can't stop talking about it ever since we came back from the theater to buy our tickets for Monday. We've argued on whether it'll reach the $200 million mark by the end of the weekend, but it'll earn enough to shatter Spider-Man 3's record from last year.

    It's just still mind-boggling how well this is performing right now. It had reached $66.4 million on Friday. I really can't wait to check it out.:D
  7. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    I don't put much stock on imdb.com. A lot of people with nothing else to do parade the boards as if it was their own playground. I've seen better films than a lot of the new ones that are on imdb's top 250. I mean has anyone ever seen "Lone Star"?. Now that is one great acting/story movie. No special effects involved, just good old fashioned acting and a good story.

    But back to the topic.....

    I personally thought The Dark Knight was 30 minutes too long of a movie. My father also agrees, whom I saw the movie with yesterday. (Could be the idea of also being in the theater 45 minutes before the movie started which made me want to leave and go walk around as I was getting tired of sitting)

    Although everyone is going gaga over Ledger's performance as the Joker (or Mr. J!), the character I liked in the movie was Aaron Eckhart's Harvey Dent/Two Face.


    Dent had everything going for him, though he did seemed a little stressed, and then bam! Everything went down the gutter, which the Joker used to his advantage in getting Dent. Personally, if the Joker and Dent/Two Face were to live to fight another day, especially in the third movie, let's just say Dent would be gone for good and Two-Face would be almost as messed up as the Joker, but without the grin.

    However, the thing I wanted the most out of Two-Face was a deep voice, signaling that Harvey Dent is gone and the alter ego is now in. Like the Two-Face from the animated series.

    *End Spoiler*

    The biggest useless thing in the movie was the Scarecrow. The guy gets caught in the first few minutes and he's no more. But I guess you got to acknowledge that he was still running around and had to be taken out.

    Personally, I think it would have been better if the Joker were to have met him halfway in the movie, then of course take care of the Scarecrow as he is old news while the Joker is the new news of the city. Maybe have Scarecrow get so ticked off that he sprays some fright toxin on the Joker, but since the Joker is so messed up anyway that the fear toxin doesn't have any effect at all. The Joker then does away with the Scarecrow.

    But, I did like the fact the movie was an ensemble piece. This could have easily been a Batman vs Joker movie with the rest of the cast as supporting characters. Glad the writers did not do that.

    As for performances:

    Michael Caine: He was great. I thought he acted as Bruce's/Batman's conscience, trying to tell Bruce he was doing the right thing, giving Bruce insight and to keep on going no matter what.

    Gary Oldman: Great as Gordon. Thought Batman was the thing the city needed most because he was cleaning up the town, even though people in the city (cops/media/Harvey Dent) questioned if he was a hero or another crook, or someone that could be a little bit of both if he ever did cross the line.

    Loved the interrogation scene where Gordan leaves the Joker and says he's going to get some coffee, leaves the room, the lights come on, and Batman knocks Joker's face flat on the table.
    *End Spoiler*

    Morgan Freeman: Also superb. At the end of the film, he questioned just how far Bruce had to go and didn't like it, even though Alfred told Bruce he had to do just that in order to get to the Joker.

    And then we finally get to the Joker. Though Ledger did a great job (had to remind myself the guy is now dead), his Joker and Jack Nicholson's Joker are two different animals. Ledger's Joker was less on the "ha ha" and more on the insane/crazy side while Nicholson's Joker had more funny lines and was more on the "ha ha" aspect. Call me an oldie, I just liked Nicholson's Joker more. Not saying Ledger's isn't good.

    Overall 3 out of 4 stars. Good, but too dark. And the whole time while I was watching the movie, I kept on thinking back to the movie's tag line "why so serious"? Indeed, the movie didn't have to be that serious.

    I still like Burton's 1989 Batman more. Like I said, just call me an oldie.

    On the side note, one thing Batman Begins and The Dark Knight don't have is an Danny Elfman like score, which is what those two movies really, really need. I like Hans Zimmer and James Newton Howard, but their take on the score of the new Batman films is too dark and depressing. Chris Nolan should have called in Danny Elfman and let the man do his magic.
  8. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets Well-Known Member

    I definitely think this could shatter Spider man 3's opening. But I really can't wait to see when the finally numbers come out myself. The ends justify the means, heh!
  9. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I found it interesting that they took the newer animated's route (where Joker is responsible for Clayface) and basically had the same origin for Two-face. Not that I minded (I actually thought that was an appropriate origin).

    I had hoped for that as well.

    Ledger Joker does have lots of jokes ... they're just more subtle than a bunch of one-liners and such. I guess it makes me one sick puppy to GET many of his jokes. :insatiable:
  10. peyjenk

    peyjenk Well-Known Member

    So ever since seeing it, I've been speculating on the possibilities of a third installment. I'd like to see the Riddler show up in a cameo, as a copycat of the Joker that Batman takes down early on. But other than that, I'm having a hard time seeing how most of the great villains can fit into the tone of this series- Poison Ivy, Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, Scarface and the Ventriloquist. Catwoman and the Penguin could work, but they have both been done so perfectly before that it would be hard to find a new angle. Manbat and Bane could work, but either of those would be better as supporting or minor characters. The one character that I can plausibly see as a major villain would be Talia al-Ghoul. They've already introduced her father and his backstory, so it would make sense for her to show up.

    My dream, though (and I know is one dream that probably won't come true) would be Reese Witherspoon as Harley Quinn. We've seen her do silly, we've seen her do serious. I think she could do great in the role.
  11. ryhoyarbie

    ryhoyarbie Well-Known Member

    Fox told Bruce Wayne his bat suit was cat proof. Could be a reference to whom the next villain is, though I never really thought of Catwoman as a villain.
  12. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    There are 2 ways I could see Harley:

    Comedic version: Like those Bat-impostors, she's just some cheap nut "honoring" Mr. J before getting taken out in 5 minutes by Batman at the beginning of the film.

    Serious version: Mr. J has been sent to Arkham, where another villain (the main one) has beaten him to a pulp or killed him. Dr. Quinzelle flips out and sets out to punish both that villain AND Batman (for catching Mr. J in the first place). Rather than an actual jester suit, she could just have a tatoo of one (either serious or cartoony would work). Should they bring back Two-face, she could pose as Rachel to mess with him. Should they bring in Ra's daughter, they could team up, since they both lost their criminal loved ones and would have something in common.
  13. peyjenk

    peyjenk Well-Known Member

    I like those ideas.
  14. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets Well-Known Member

    Didn't quite reach that hight, but it did shatter Spider-Man 3 with an estimated 155 million to making it the biggest opening weekend of any movie in history! When international numbers come it it could be a different story for over all take in.
  15. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The brief frogboy review.

    The Dark Knight
    Overall :)

    I saw the Dark Knight last Friday evening and was blown away. I hardly noticed the time as two hours and thirty-two minutes rolled by. That is rare for me. There is absolutely nothing I would cut from the picture, but Nolan did give much of the film’s scenes a little more breathing room than needed. Tightening up the edges of what was already there could easily take a good ten to twelve minutes off the running time without losing any content. It might have given the film an extra kick it appeared to need for the more fidgety moviegoers. Nevertheless, the film receives an enthusiastic 98% (near A +) from me. The best film of the year so far. It is missing nothing. If anything it has about 2% too much.

    The Joker :crazy:

    It is sad that Heath Ledger has passed away. The one true disappointment of this film is that he will not be able to reprise his role. By the way, for any detractors – this is the Joker. The film focuses on his preexisting sadistic side more than his pranks and his white skin is painted on (the Joker actually doesn’t wear makeup) but this fits the gritty tone that Nolan has established for this telling. Jack Nicholson was a genius in reinventing the character just as Tim Burton had a beautiful, heavily modified, pop art look at the film in general; however the Joker was never some aging, stout, balding character that killed Bruce Wayne’s parents. Nobody ever really knows where he comes from and the Dark Knight handles that humorously. There are no shades of personal turmoil in Ledger’s pitch perfect performance. His scenes are intense and just like a schizophrenic, his demeanor and accent change to mold what the situation demands. This performance is what Oscars were made for.

    Other Players

    Christian Bale takes a little more of a back seat here than before because no matter what – no one outshines the Joker. Bale does give a little more variety of emotion in this film than in Begins. Maggie Gyllenhaal puts in a respectable performance as Rachael Dawes (replacing the weightless performance by Katie Holmes). I just wish it had been her in both pictures. Aaron Eckhart’s Harvey Dent/Two Face was well written and executed. In every comic book telling, as in classic Greek myths, things are altered a little to facilitate a new perspective. Nolan keeps the integrity of the character intact while adding a new veneer to the character that solidifies the story. Morgan Freeman is back (like he ever sleeps) in another fantastic performance as does Michael Caine, Gary Oldman and my favorite Cillian Murphy!

    The Movie :batty:

    There is so much to this film that keeps coming to mind. It plays out in a different rhythm than typical movies. This, of course, is Christopher Nolan – the director who’s film Memento ran in reverse! He sees things differently. Directors like Coppola might think that every story has been told, but Nolan continues to prove that there’s enough possibilities left for unique film language, structure and storytelling to keep films from becoming stale and formulaic. It almost plays like a miniseries cut into one solid film. There are many movies here that work as a cohesive whole. This motion picture is a tad looser than I would like – not by much at all. It also tackles some current social and political issues without tying them up with a neat little bow. This is not the sweet goosebumpy message of Spider-Man 2 that I enjoyed. The Dark Knight has a scattered but hopeful view of humanity. This lends the film a gritty resonance rare in big budget American cinema. It took a British director to show us that such a film can be a runaway success.

    I love this movie. I love Batman. There must be another!
  16. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    I would say Joker is more disassociated than schizophrenic (studying for a psych exam). Just to be accurate. :D

    Although they never get to an honest origin for him, I would think that someone he idolized scarred him (emotionally or physically or both), since his ONLY consistent trait is that he wants to humble the proud and villify the good.
  17. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Hmm...I can see that. I always noted schizophrenics as beeing the ones who change their tonality of voice with different situations. Well that and "cocktail personalities" he he. We all know those types. They can be even scarrier.

    This film is appropriately titled the Dark Knight and the Joker is "seriously" disturbed :crazy: so it's about as dark as I expected. I enoyed the departure from the silly Adam West program (I watched the West film on Blu-ray last night) and the attractive pop art Burton films, but I appreciate Nolan tapping into something different rather than a rehash. The characters here are darker and fleshed-out. I like different things in all the tellings. Personally (in my head) if I were to make this film it would be somewhere between the Burton and Nolan visions. I so wanted to see Harley and some hyenas! :cool:
  18. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member


    It can be argued that Joker has delusions and maybe racing thoughts and maybe apathy ... though he certainly doesn't ACT with a flat affect. He certainly doesn't seem to have appreciable cognitive difficulties (his "gags" are well thought out and highly premeditated).

    What you're thinking of is along the lines of some anxiety/personality disorders. He is certainly sociopathic ... but this is not a trait of schizophrenia. The problem with Joker (as noted in a fascinating book, "The Forensic Files of Batman") is that he's actually a mix of several disorders ... IF you take his symptoms as-is and don't assume he's faking some of it to mess around with psychiatrists (Joker to Terry McGuinness/Batman: "Don't try to psychoanalyze ME, boy." Joker is well-versed in psychiatry and can easily run circles around the best therapists ... look what he did to Harley....).
  19. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I think we all misuse the schizophrenic term. Thanks for clearning that up. The Joker is my favorite comic book character. Poor fella's just misunderstood. He he. ;)
  20. Ilikemuppets

    Ilikemuppets Well-Known Member

    195 million world wide total.

    Nobody's going to believe this but Mama Mia already has a 100 million world wide total in three days.

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