The Bible and Love and Christians

[beaker]

I've said it before... we shoulda just let Russia have Afghanistan.

I agree. The US's proxy war not only created everything we now know about modern radical militant Islam, but it lead to Russia murdering over a million Afghan civilians. Had Russia simply ruled from afar, things wouldnt have been so bad. But the US wanted one last chance to bleed Russia dry. And now its America being bled dry through wars, bailouts, falling dollar, etc

 

[CensoredAlso]

But Im trying to say that yes, we should be tolerant of all people

Tolerant of people's right to free speech. That doesn't mean we should be tolerant of an inherently racist and destructive ideology.

 

[beaker]

Tolerant of people's right to free speech. That doesn't mean we should be tolerant of an inherently racist and destructive ideology.

That's what I meant It's like holocaust denial stuff...that stuff makes me sick, but I also dont like how Europe throws holocaust deniers in jail.

 

[CensoredAlso]

That's what I meant

Yeah I know , it's a real delicate balance that I think we lose sight of at times.

 

[BornToWemble]

Not tolerating intolerance is not intolerance. I'm at Muppet Central because I believe in the work and spirit of Jim Henson and the idea woven into all of his work. The beautiful truth that we are all one world of silly creatures interdependent on one another for not just survival, but growth as well. There's nothing in the notions of race supremacy or National Socialism to really fit that mold. That's probably why you're getting some opposition here in the very place where we honor the work of this amazing man.

I disagree, if you want tolerance you need to be tolerant. I honestly cannot believe I'm getting 'opposition' for being accepting of people and not lumping them all into one box. When I think of the spirit of Jim Henson I think of someone who wanted people to all be excepting of each other no matter what.

 

[frogboy4]

I disagree, if you want tolerance you need to be tolerant. I honestly cannot believe I'm getting 'opposition' for being accepting of people and not lumping them all into one box. When I think of the spirit of Jim Henson I think of someone who wanted people to all be excepting of each other no matter what.

Your statement is 100% ludicrous. I don't know where to start, so I'm going to leave crazy town for one of the other forum members to respond.

Nonetheless, I still stand by my statement that not tolerating intolerance is not intolerance.

 

[BornToWemble]

Tolerant of people's right to free speech. That doesn't mean we should be tolerant of an inherently racist and destructive ideology.

People who stick to that view and seem to refuse to believe a person could be anything else tend to not know much about the ideology other than what was in propaganda. I don't know why you're bringing up holocaust denial because I don't know anyone who denies it nor did i bring it up? I just don't think combating bigotry with bigotry is kind of silly and hypocritical.

Also I haven't really defended any ideology in my eyes, but rather treating people like people. Because a lot of people's first reaction to some is just plain wrong. A person isn't just their ideology

I agree. The US's proxy war not only created everything we now know about modern radical militant Islam, but it lead to Russia murdering over a million Afghan civilians. Had Russia simply ruled from afar, things wouldnt have been so bad. But the US wanted one last chance to bleed Russia dry. And now its America being bled dry through wars, bailouts, falling dollar, etc

I don't believe that for a second. I think Russia would have done that no matter what happened. It happened to family of mine last time someone just let Russia have something.
.

 

[BornToWemble]

Your statement is 100% ludicrous. I don't know where to start, so I'm going to leave crazy town for one of the other forum members to respond.

Nonetheless, I still stand by my statement that not tolerating intolerance is not intolerance.

And I stand by my statement that it is. It's hypocritical to want tolerance yet not be able to tolerate others. Especially since you're assuming an entire group is intolerant because of what little knowledge you have about them.

 

[frogboy4]

And I stand by my statement that it is. It's hypocritical to want tolerance yet not be able to tolerate others. Especially since you're assuming an entire group is intolerant because of what little knowledge you have about them.

I usually support clever contrarians, but not when they behave as you have since arriving here. I have no tolerance for the intellectual dishonesty you continue to express by mis-characterizing the words of everyone in this thread. You haven't really been listening to anybody since arriving at this forum. You seem intent on picking fights with this community by loading-up bizarre arguments, stuffing misleading words in the mouths of others and criticizing a group that you’ve only just joined. Maybe you should consider taking some of your own advice, or at least settle in first before becoming so abrasive.

I wonder how long it will be before a moderator steps in. I just hope they don't take down this thread. It's been heated at times, but it's also been a healthy discussion to this point.

 

[Drtooth]

Back to the topic...

I'm SOOO glad the Log Cabin Republicans are actually GROWING a pear against their party nominees. Herman Cain wants to repeal the repeal of DADT (for the same pandering to the religious right they always have to pull), and supposedly gave the "it's a choice" myth and asked if someone can disprove him with science.

To which the Log Cabins decried that there IS a lot of scientific proof. Seriously. First the fact that their party was withholding the repeal of DADT, now calling out one of the party front runners.

I mean, I'll never like that party, but once they drop the "we're not bigots, and to prove it, let's do something bigoted to appeal to bigots." act I might respect them again.

Might.