The Bible and Love and Christians

[beaker]

Everyone is talking about Occupy Wallstreet. I want to see BOTH tea party/conservative/christian patriots/libertarians/GOP AND liberals/anarchists/communists/etc occupy the White House area and DEMAND an end to appeasing these Muslim countries who ATTACKED US on 9/11 like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and perhaps even elements of the CIA. all this war, and financing of countries to support al Qeada and Taliban. Were all being taken advantage of by the NWO corporate Satanic slavestate. I dont care if you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Agnostsic, Liberal, Right Wing, whatever. We must ALL join forces to resist the new world order. Even Obama needs to realize the racist fascists behind all this are just using him. I want peace, alternative energy and a new awakening.

I dont know what to believe Bible or Religious wise. But I DO know, IF Christ is real...then reading his story he resisted the Satanic rulers that sadly so many Christians support. He would oppose war, the money controllers, and the fascists.

Do people not get it? Saudi Arabia orchestrated 9/11 with Pakistani Intelligence using bin Laden and al Qaeda as the hitmen. This is not conspiracy. This is the 9/11 inquiry, FBI, researches, whistleblowers and even former al Qaeda all saying this.

America continuing to support and finance Saudi Arabia and Pakistan(who controls the very Taliban killing American and NATO/Afghan troops) is beyond reason and should not be supported. Sometimes I feel like I'm a lone voice in the wilderness.

Iran controls Iraq's interim government and is trying to sway the Kabul government. China now controls most the oil and mineral fields of Iraq and Afghanistan. America's leaders sold us out to Sharia law and communist countries. This is not a left or right issue.

 

[CensoredAlso]

I just saw this documentary on the Westboro Baptist Church people. It definitely felt like I was watching a cult in action. The people being interviewed had this odd, overly happy attitude about them, desperately avoiding anything unpleasant and rationalizing questions put to them as "silly and dull." Again always with a smile, trying to push the unpleasantness away, making sure everything felt safe and in control for them. Plus the children go to school but proudly boast they don't have any friends outside of the church. I mean I'm not a psychologist, but I would defintitely speculate that these people are classic examples of brainwashing.

I think it said it all when one of the members got very upset and said, "This is all very plain and very simple and you are not going to make me feel bad about this." These people are being comforted by black and white thinking. And I think to question anything would probably terrify them. It's like that line in Sunset Boulevard, "You don't yell at a sleep walker."

And I hadn't realized there actually have been people who left the group or were kicked out. So I do question the wisdom of allowing their kinds of protests to go on. How are they any different from that polygamist cult enslaving its members?

 

[Drtooth]

Everyone is talking about Occupy Wallstreet. I want to see BOTH tea party/conservative/christian patriots/libertarians/GOP AND liberals/anarchists/communists/etc occupy the White House area and DEMAND an end to appeasing these Muslim countries who ATTACKED US on 9/11 like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and perhaps even elements of the CIA. all this war, and financing of countries to support al Qeada and Taliban. Were all being taken advantage of by the NWO corporate Satanic slavestate. I dont care if you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Agnostsic, Liberal, Right Wing, whatever. We must ALL join forces to resist the new world order. Even Obama needs to realize the racist fascists behind all this are just using him. I want peace, alternative energy and a new awakening.

I'm surprised ANYONE is talking about Occupy Wall Street. I seriously want to see someone throw a rock at an investard's head. But that's just me. I mean, we have a movement that isn't pro-government getting national attention. Sure, nothing's going to be done, and CEO's are going to continue to grind the poor into a fine paste they feed to their migrant worker house keepers. Best we can hope for is some very weak regulation that barely slaps someone on the wrist passing or a thin tax hike on the top earners... but even that stuff has no chance of happening.

As for the Middle East. GAH! You know there's no way we'll ever get out of that crap hole, right? All we need to do is to finally create an artificial or natural alternative to oil.. and the oil industry has been doing their best to make sure we'll never get that either.

I said it before... no one cares that downloading movies (legally or otherwise) is putting video rental stores out of business. No one cares that those idiotic eReaders are killing bookstores and publishing companies. No one even cares that we're going to lose the postal system because we're sending everything over the internet.

Why is it then, that the ONLY business we're afraid will lose jobs by changing technology is oil? We could get the heck out of the Middle East once and for all if we come up with something better than the internal combustion engine we've had for almost a hundred years. Cassette tapes came in and out of usefulness 5 times by then. And that's being generous.

We have to keep sinking money into these dumb places so they can give us a discount on something we shouldn't need only to not even HAVE that discount.

You know what REALLY honks me off? The only terrorists we're seeing now are American born LOSERS. We had this one guy who grew up in an expensive suburb and was a member of a crappy garage band that got bored one day, went on a facebook page and all the sudden thinks he's a soldier of Al Queasy. Oh yeah, we wanna bring the world back a million years to rape the heck out our women so we can go to super heaven, so we gotta use the internet to post Youtube videos we got from our iPhone cameras. yeah. REAL credit to an imaginary cause.

It's those American born poser loser freaks that MAKE us keep going into these stupid places.

 

[BornToWemble]

Everyone is talking about Occupy Wallstreet. I want to see BOTH tea party/conservative/christian patriots/libertarians/GOP AND liberals/anarchists/communists/etc occupy the White House area and DEMAND an end to appeasing these Muslim countries who ATTACKED US on 9/11 like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and perhaps even elements of the CIA. all this war, and financing of countries to support al Qeada and Taliban. Were all being taken advantage of by the NWO corporate Satanic slavestate. I dont care if you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Sikh, Agnostsic, Liberal, Right Wing, whatever. We must ALL join forces to resist the new world order. Even Obama needs to realize the racist fascists behind all this are just using him. I want peace, alternative energy and a new awakening.

I dont know what to believe Bible or Religious wise. But I DO know, IF Christ is real...then reading his story he resisted the Satanic rulers that sadly so many Christians support. He would oppose war, the money controllers, and the fascists.

Do people not get it? Saudi Arabia orchestrated 9/11 with Pakistani Intelligence using bin Laden and al Qaeda as the hitmen. This is not conspiracy. This is the 9/11 inquiry, FBI, researches, whistleblowers and even former al Qaeda all saying this.

America continuing to support and finance Saudi Arabia and Pakistan(who controls the very Taliban killing American and NATO/Afghan troops) is beyond reason and should not be supported. Sometimes I feel like I'm a lone voice in the wilderness.

Iran controls Iraq's interim government and is trying to sway the Kabul government. China now controls most the oil and mineral fields of Iraq and Afghanistan. America's leaders sold us out to Sharia law and communist countries. This is not a left or right issue.

Uh...all other aside, we all have to join together as political groups, religious groups, racial groups etc but not fascists? You're kinda of all over the place here. Or it's coming off that way. It's also coming off as a bit creepy.

Also what's the accusation of satanism? The entire "all these groups need to join together to fight these two other groups" is just sort of.... I really don't know. You really have to be careful of what you say and how you say it, because how you come across and make or break if someone listens or if they just want to back away slowly.

 

[BornToWemble]

I don't believe "America" was behind 9/11. I never said that. I do believe bin Laden and al Qaeda are clearly puppets of a much larger force. **** you believe in all that devil stuff right? We clearly have these Illuminati type cults behind the scenes. Hitler was big into that stuff.

No. Nonononononono. You're confusing Hitler with Himmler. Even then what's been said could have been greatly exaggerated. You have to take absolutely everything said about Hitler and Nazi Germany with a whole shaker of salt. Even things that are widely regarded as fact have no basis in fact, such as Hitler's....ahem. In fact it's based on a limerick and people went with it, and every proven 'source' has been discredited. A lot of things have been discredited or new facts have come out but the ones widely believed are still pretty much what was said directly after WWII.

Because the same thing always happens. Things like when they said Bin Laden hid behind his wife and had like 80 gigs of porn on his computer. The government purposely makes stuff up so people will be repulsed even more by them if they weren't before. It makes it hard to weed out the real facts. Then people jump on the band wagon and it's hard to tell what's true and isn't. Even Albert Speer's recounts of it all aren't very trusted because of shaming.

I don't see how there's 'clearly' an illuminati or anything.

As for the other buildings that weren't hit by planes falling...it's called collateral damage.

 

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The government purposely makes stuff up so people will be repulsed even more by them if they weren't before.

Hitler and Bin Laden didn't need the government's help to be repulsive.

 

[BornToWemble]

Hitler and Bin Laden didn't need the government's help to be repulsive.

Ignoring absolutely everything that statement was about does what exactly? It's true, they make up things to put people who wouldn't be repulsed by them off. It's to fool people who would otherwise be their supporters and it gets in the way of real facts that historians try to learn about. Hence the 'even more'. I should have taken my advice and not started talking about Hitler, but I might as well keep digging this hole.

They do that so you won't take into consideration that Hitler WASN'T a violent rapist where Stalin, who was Allied, was. He loved kids, so they say he was a pedophile. He cared a lot about his niece, so they said he was in an incestuous relationship with her. It's all propaganda to dehumanize to keep people from sympathizing with them because like it or not: Hitler and Bin Laden? Were people like you and me. Humans are capable of terrible things and it's easier to separate them and treat them as monsters, but it's false security. My whole point was about making up false facts and people using them to further a point when it's just ridiculous.

I don't see what the point of mentioning Hitler at all was there expect for a scare-tactic. Hitler was into something! Now be afraid and pay attention to what I'm saying! Hitler also ordered the first study that linked cancer to smoking and was the first to be proactive about women checking themselves for breast cancer. So everyone light up and screw Susan B. Komen! In the mean time let's spit-roast a live kitten because Nazi Germany had some of the first animal right laws! Except all those things I mentioned are true.

They also make up things to to discredit them. Like Hitler being Jewish. While they totally ignore profilic Nazis who WERE Jewish, places they don't have to make up facts. Case in point: Reinhard Heydrich. He didn't practice Judism, but he was Jewish by Nazi standards. Even if Hitler had some remote Jewish ancestor, he was not by Nazi standards. Again, the whole thing I'm saying is about people using/spreading false facts and statements to further their agenda. There's plenty of things that are true that you could say about a lot of things and it won't make your argument look flimsy to someone who's educated on a subject.

If you're going to totally ignore what I'm saying just to make a comment on people who are dead, do it a PM instead of on a thread where people are trying to have a coherent conversation.

 

[beaker]

No. Nonononononono. You're confusing Hitler with Himmler. Even then what's been said could have been greatly exaggerated. You have to take absolutely everything said about Hitler and Nazi Germany with a whole shaker of salt. Even things that are widely regarded as fact have no basis in fact, such as Hitler's....ahem. In fact it's based on a limerick and people went with it, and every proven 'source' has been discredited. A lot of things have been discredited or new facts have come out but the ones widely believed are still pretty much what was said directly after WWII.

Because the same thing always happens. Things like when they said Bin Laden hid behind his wife and had like 80 gigs of porn on his computer. The government purposely makes stuff up so people will be repulsed even more by them if they weren't before. It makes it hard to weed out the real facts. Then people jump on the band wagon and it's hard to tell what's true and isn't. Even Albert Speer's recounts of it all aren't very trusted because of shaming.

I never really bought what the government said about the bin Laden raid, the videos, etc or most the 9/11 narrative

 

[beaker]

Uh...all other aside, we all have to join together as political groups, religious groups, racial groups etc but not fascists? You're kinda of all over the place here. Or it's coming off that way. It's also coming off as a bit creepy.

Also what's the accusation of satanism? The entire "all these groups need to join together to fight these two other groups" is just sort of.... I really don't know. You really have to be careful of what you say and how you say it, because how you come across and make or break if someone listens or if they just want to back away slowly.

Well I just wish people could live to their full potential...so while I do see a loose confederation of interests keeping people down, I also think it's up to the individual to tune things out and focus on positive creative goals. It's just frustrating to see in America left and right always bickering, and we'll see a lot of that next year big time. I pretty much decided to stop watching the news and tune out politics and focus on goals.

 

[BornToWemble]

Yeah I don't buy a word about the government's story about bin Laden, be it the raid or anything else. Regards to the Nazis, enough words cant be said for how unimaginably evil they and their puppet masters were.

Not believing in evil like that aside, they were nothing compared to communists, who you're not excluding from your groups that need to join together against the government.

You can't make sweeping generalizations. Fascism and Nazism are NOT hive minds. If you're not accusing all communists of being genocidal maniacs, I don't think it's fair to act that way with fascists. But accusing people of fascism and satanism is over the top.

I really don't think ALL those problems really have to do with big business. Speaking out against tyranny is one thing, but it's about the way you go about it and talking about things that don't have solid proof.