Seriously, our country is run by Wesayso ...

[RedPiggy]

Not that I would have voted for him, but I REALLY hate the sharp Neo-Con control that took over the Republican party in the 1980's with a certain so and so. Not that I'd be a traditional conservative fan either

Well, I've often been asked on political boards why I don't subscribe to Republicans. My problem is that I don't particularly mind if someone is conservative, but there's a difference between just not jumping off a cliff for the sake of it and then being idiotic and fanatical. And Republicans aren't really conservative anyway. They'll spend with the best of them and they always whine about government interference while wanting to be in government and running all of our lives. If Conservatism just meant Pa Gorg or Sam the Eagle, I wouldn't mind as much, because they really mean well, and can come up with some good points, they're just a little sheltered, is all. However, modern conservatism is just BP Richfield now. It's filled with vindictiveness and spite and hypocrisy.

We whined about the Bailout, but we've been bailing out these companies for years.

Yes, it's amazing how capitalism is so idealized but we haven't had true capitalism since the beginning, really. Businesses are all about capitalism until it negatively affects their bottom line. On another site, someone who apparently either worked or was related to someone who worked on oil rigs whined up a storm about how awful shutting down the rigs was going to be. I'm like, "Why should I feel sorry for you? You gripe all the time about how businesses shouldn't have government interference. Well, capitalism says that if customers get mad at you, you're screwed. You royally screwed up and you don't even have the decency to feel sorry for all the coastal workers whose lives you destroyed. Not inconvenienced, DESTROYED. I will never feel that employees of a stupid company should be rewarded for their stupidity."

but it seems every single news cast has a "We love you Tea Party" five minute segment every news cast. Liberal media my butt.

I like my drinks Lipton, and my politics with some brains.

Get your stinking job done and forget about getting re-elected.

That's the main problem with politicians in general. They don't treat their job as a job with actual goals. They treat it as a way to kill time so they can get more bribes (I mean, "donations") and get re-elected.

 

[Drtooth]

Yes, it's amazing how capitalism is so idealized but we haven't had true capitalism since the beginning, really. Businesses are all about capitalism until it negatively affects their bottom line. On another site, someone who apparently either worked or was related to someone who worked on oil rigs whined up a storm about how awful shutting down the rigs was going to be. I'm like, "Why should I feel sorry for you? You gripe all the time about how businesses shouldn't have government interference. Well, capitalism says that if customers get mad at you, you're screwed. You royally screwed up and you don't even have the decency to feel sorry for all the coastal workers whose lives you destroyed. Not inconvenienced, DESTROYED. I will never feel that employees of a stupid company should be rewarded for their stupidity."

Exactly. Corporations are either run by Gordon Gecko types or Fozzie as Squire Terlawnious types... either buggers who would throw their customers under a bus if it meant more money, or greedy idiots that would drop a bag of hundred dollar bills to pick up a penny (and in some cases, wind up falling butt backwards into these jobs via nepotism or being someone's something). What really kills me is how very important Wall Street is, and how much power know nothing speculators and day traders have on our economy. They're willing themselves into another recession on fears of other countries or silly stuff... we lost almost 1000 + points because of a TYPO due to some fatso's fat sausage fingers. That's DANGEROUS! These people drove the price of oil up because it was the safest thing to gamble on, and that REALLY caused things to go haywire, driving the price of everything up, creating a phoney baloney crisis...

I swear, we STILL are at the mercy of a Bubble market even though economists kept warning us about it. As for the wealthy's massive tax cuts... seriously... THAT isn't considered a bail out? I'd be all for it if they put that money back into their profits. It's supposed to go to create jobs and invest in new technologies, but it becomes corporate welfare. And We've had this for quite some time.

In fact ALL of the bugaboo that bit us on the butts happened SINCE Reagan... it goes on to BOTH Bushes and even Clinton (when deregulation of media happened allowing single companies to own multiple media outlets... and the worst part is they cut it with inane kid's programming regulations that KILLED kid's programming... but that's another story).

You're right. We aren't capitalists. We're corporate socialists.

That's the main problem with politicians in general. They don't treat their job as a job with actual goals. They treat it as a way to kill time so they can get more bribes (I mean, "donations") and get re-elected.

And of course the politicians who actually WOULD normally do something for the people are SOOOOO afraid of not being re-elected, they're stymied to do anything. Even partisan unity can't beat that. And that's what a lot of democrats are doing, and it's NOT HELPING anything. They're trying to give smaller businesses tax credits or cuts or something so they can thrive, and it just won't pass.

Interestingly enough, the right wouldn't raise the minimum wage years ago because it would hurt small business. Well, I guess that shows their true colors.

 

[Yorick]

I feel DrTooth and RedPiggy are correct. We (non-righties?) aren't asking for much...just don't go all BP Richfield on us.

(That reminds me of a righty quote: "lefties think with their heart instead of their brain, like us". I found that to be more decent than I expected, because that sounds like they aren't calling the left brainless...and yet I know the person who said that feels the left is evil, so...go figure.

Speaking of BP Richfield, by the way, I am still blown away by how evil he was portrayed - so much so, that I always forget it's Mr. Sherman Hemsley! And if you see interviews with him (like the one that was at http://www.youtube.com/user/TVLEGENDS but since as been cut into clips..where'd the rest go? ) he comes off as the nicest person you could ever meet! He explains how it was tough for him to play a guy as outwardly mean (though nice inside, and not evil like Richfield) as George Jefferson....and how, when asked (in the script) to slam a door in someone's face, the other actor's would act like he slammed it on their fingers and he'd feel so bad...so they'd mess with him like that...so it all makes this more amazing that Sherman could portray the voice of Richfield in such a terrorizing way as he did! BRAVO!

 

[Lil0Vampy]

-.- Gawsh, I just avoid politics all together. I know I'm too young to be in this crap anyway, but rully, some friends at my school were arguing about it the other day. Rully? I mean, us young chicas should honestly avoid politics as long as we can, butthead hypocrites aren't fun to listen bashing each other...

 

[Drtooth]

(That reminds me of a righty quote: "lefties think with their heart instead of their brain, like us". I found that to be more decent than I expected, because that sounds like they aren't calling the left brainless...and yet I know the person who said that feels the left is evil, so...go figure.

Well, that's why they always come out on top. I could NEVER call the Republican party stupid. They are a cold, manipulative, calculating machine that knows how to play the system for ALL it's worth. The term evil genius comes to mind. I unfortunately agree with that quote 100%. The Dems keep bombing all their chances because they made stupid choices. It's almost as if the Right said, "Okay, left, you take the caring about the poor, caring about the environment, caring about the working class, and basically caring about all that. We'll take religion, security, and money."

Now, how can you manipulate people with the stuff the left has? Other than getting people to pretend to care about recycling for a week. Now look at money and religion. Religion has been a weapon of choice of some of the worst dictators in history. To question someone's beliefs and use those systems of beliefs against them is pretty cruel. It gets people to go out and ignore half the stuff they believe in. Security? You have to make up monsters for kids to want you to come look under their beds.

Fear will beat out hope every time. You can bully people with fear... remember the quote... Nice guys finish last. And the stuff the left actually has, they manage to use against them. Sloth and excess beat out environmentalism... you tell the working class anyone looking out for them is a Communist (we didn't sell weapons to terrorists to fund far right wackjob drug dealers to fight far left nutjob drug dealers to make way for Communism, you know).

Exactly... The right is all brain.. And that's not a good thing.

 

[RedPiggy]

Gawsh, I just avoid politics all together. I know I'm too young to be in this crap anyway, but rully, some friends at my school were arguing about it the other day. Rully? I mean, us young chicas should honestly avoid politics as long as we can, butthead hypocrites aren't fun to listen bashing each other...

Well, I hate to put it this way, but politicians only care about minors in the sense that their parents are voters (and they are good fundraising opportunities), so you don't really have to feel as though it's necessary for you to pipe up ... yet. I realize politics sound like it's just a bunch of whining (and it is), but lawmakers run our lives based on all that whining (and who gives them the biggest checks). We don't need to make politics the only important part of our lives, but as you get older, you'll learn just how deeply it does affect not only your life but the lives of everyone around you. You live in a society ... and you can't just hide from it.

 

[Lil0Vampy]

Well, I hate to put it this way, but politicians only care about minors in the sense that their parents are voters (and they are good fundraising opportunities), so you don't really have to feel as though it's necessary for you to pipe up ... yet. I realize politics sound like it's just a bunch of whining (and it is), but lawmakers run our lives based on all that whining (and who gives them the biggest checks). We don't need to make politics the only important part of our lives, but as you get older, you'll learn just how deeply it does affect not only your life but the lives of everyone around you. You live in a society ... and you can't just hide from it.

*nods* I totally understand. Although as you pointed out, it does really get on my nerves when politicians use kids to gain sympathy and money... >:/

 

[RedPiggy]

Well, my Game Informer magazine is talking YET AGAIN about a Supreme Court fight over selling games to minors. The newest whine is that the ratings aren't good enough (for instance, labeling a game about war is "Mature" whereas lots of sex will earn you "Adults Only") and that it encourages violence against other humans. The mag is like, "Uh, does killing zombies count? 'Cause, uh, they're already dead, technically." However, rather than admit that some children have not been taught or are biologically hampered in determining reality from fantasy (makes me wonder if it isn't the adults with the problem), they want to make it so difficult to play anything worse than Tetris that manufacturers just give up.

The thing that irks me (a lot, if not most of all) is this idea that, say spraying bullets into a humanoid alien makes children violent, and yet anyone against the handful of wars we're doing in real life is called some peacenik (and worse). Well, America needs to make up its mind. Either we're supposed to object to killing others or we aren't. You don't go busting into some country to "free" it, especially when no one asked you to, and then complain that your enemy is so violent AND your citizens are too wussy to pick up a gun.

 

[Lil0Vampy]

Well, my Game Informer magazine is talking YET AGAIN about a Supreme Court fight over selling games to minors. The newest whine is that the ratings aren't good enough (for instance, labeling a game about war is "Mature" whereas lots of sex will earn you "Adults Only") and that it encourages violence against other humans. The mag is like, "Uh, does killing zombies count? 'Cause, uh, they're already dead, technically." However, rather than admit that some children have not been taught or are biologically hampered in determining reality from fantasy (makes me wonder if it isn't the adults with the problem), they want to make it so difficult to play anything worse than Tetris that manufacturers just give up.

The thing that irks me (a lot, if not most of all) is this idea that, say spraying bullets into a humanoid alien makes children violent, and yet anyone against the handful of wars we're doing in real life is called some peacenik (and worse). Well, America needs to make up its mind. Either we're supposed to object to killing others or we aren't. You don't go busting into some country to "free" it, especially when no one asked you to, and then complain that your enemy is so violent AND your citizens are too wussy to pick up a gun.

Like. I spend way too much time on Facebook, but Like x20.

 

[Drtooth]

Well, I hate to put it this way, but politicians only care about minors in the sense that their parents are voters (and they are good fundraising opportunities), so you don't really have to feel as though it's necessary for you to pipe up ... yet.

Wellllll......

The thing about parental groups is they are exactly like lobbyists in most cases. Sure, their votes count, but they badger, threaten, and do all that stuff until they get their way. And I think that transcends politics. Then of course, again, I have to mention 1990's FCC deregulation, they also shove these "somebody think of the children" things to get slimy things to pass.

But mostly, parental groups have an extreme and ANNOYING power over corporations who don't want bad press. Sure, it helps certain people get elected...but it's really more of a mob justice thing.

Really, Parental groups are the bane of any cartoon fan or gamer's existence. I agree... things that are supposedly kid friendly are too over-regulated. I have a special place in my spite for the fringe group "commercial free childhood" and their insane hypocrisy that "kidz R teh Stoopitz" when last time I checked, they don't sell get rich quick market schemes (that help ruin the market, flooding a bunch of uneducated traders) to children, nor do they market "you drank 100000 cups of coffee today and you can't get to sleep" drugs that cause you to sleep drive in a dress off a cliff.

These people whined and moaned and bickered and pressured the government to come up with a games rating system and a TV ratings system ONLY to completely ignore them. The ratings should be enough. We shouldn't water down everything even further because some 10 year old's incompetent, never say no parents bought him GTA, and are shocked by a secret naked code.