Question about Muppet Movie

[The Count]

OK, here's a question that might stump even the best Muppet logicians, though someone can answer my particular question. Previous discussions here on the forum have said that the majority of what we've seen the Muppets perform both on TV and in the movies was mostly acting. Some have said that the acts on The Muppet Show were just that, the Muppets performing a stage act. Others have said that the acting in the movies were the Muppets playing a specific role in the movie. Well my question is this, were the events presented in the Muppet Movie the Muppets real lives or was it just more play acting? I'm asking this because the search continues to fill out my Muppet version of Harry Potter and the main villain is still missing. Basically, I wanted to cast Doc Hopper as the encarnation of tVoldemort but I'm not sure if you guys would agree upon that decision. After all, was Doc Hopper an actual person in Kermit's past or was it just some other human character in the Muppet Universe playing the role of Doc Hopper? Hopefully the answers are out there and you'll tell me your thoughts on the subject.

 

[Gonzo14]

I always thought that The Muppet Movie was a movie the muppets made to recreate when they first met, and that Doc Hopper was in his past, then it was confirmed in IAVMMCM with that Doc Hopper reference that Doc Hopper was in Muppet History

 

[scarecroe]

I wouldn't say that The Muppet Movie was how the Muppets really got together, it's sort of approximately how it happened.

 

[WiGgY]

lol I love that line. I think the Muppet Movie is aproximatly how the muppets got together in a world where the muppets are real, obviously. Doc Hopper is a real person in the Muppet universe. No doubt about it because we see that in AVMMC.

 

[Sidebottom]

Doc Hopper is a real person in the Muppet universe.

Personally, I think that the so-called Muppet universe is, in fact, the real universe.

Think about it. The Muppets make appearances on talk shows and so forth, and the idea is for us to believe that these characters really exist in the real world.

And on these talk shows, they frequently make plugs for "our new movie" and so forth.

Thus, I conclude that NO Muppet movie is "real". They're all just movies.

So:
- The Muppets are all real people in the real universe.
- There is no set canonical fictional Muppet universe (which is also betrayed by the fact that all the Muppet movies and shows contradict each other in some way).
- Doc Hopper is a completely fictional character, in all possible senses.

Just my two pesos.

-Sidebottom

 

[WiGgY]

But the muppets aren't real. So, they do need there own world in order to have a past. So, obviously in order to make the characters real they need some kind of made up past and that made up past is the mupet movie. Therefore, Doc Hopper is a real part of the fake past that the muppets have.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

The performance on TMS was their lives (backstage) on-stage (depending on the sketch) is a different story. I attribute the backstage stuff from JHH and MT as part of their real them's, too.

TMM was them performing as themselves to tell their story, to which a certain degree of artistic licenses was added.

GMC and TMTM were them playing themselves in different roles and not necessarily part of their lives.

MB was Miss Piggy's Fantasy.

MTI and MCC were them playing different roles altogether.

MFS was them being themselves and telling the true story.

VMX was half-n-half, but more movie than based on their real life.

I look at it like this: I'm me. I am real (Kermit). I have a history which, if I told my history in a story, I'd add some elements to make it more interesting so that I'm playing me in my history (TMM). However, if I starred in Ghostbusters as Ghostbuster Williams, I'd be playing a character based on me a little bit (Kermit as a reporter in GMC). But I'd make personal appearances to promote either film, in which case I'm me again.

(And you thought Sybil had problems??)