Grumpo
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Well, after watching and re-watching everything again, i don't feel there is much difference in the quality of all 3 episodes so far -- each one gets solid 6/10 for being good at what it is.
I FOUND this quote about Star Wars fans on quora which i think fits us here too:
There is also that generational thing. There is a whole generation of fans introduced to the Muppets via more modern 2011-2015 productions, who might find TMS, TMM and such a bit old-fashioned and full of obsolete references to properly get into. I'm looking at it from the other side -- I rather miss the original TMS, but we have to face it, the times and styles do change, and Muppets do have to adapt to stay current.
Besides, views and opinions differ wildly. Whatever it is, half of the viewers are bound to be complaining -- about exactly the same thing that makes happy the other half. There are different opinions on more/less music numbers, more/less soap opera storylines, more/less modern styling -- such is the way of the world. "More backstage gags" is the only thing that everybody agrees upon, i think.
IT IS WHAT IT IS. Folks, what we got here is neither TMS nor m2015, it is a new kind of YouTube-like upload show, and i guess it should be judged by how well it succeeds at that (e.g. Stranger Things is pretty good as Stranger Things, but would seem rather weird as a Harry Potter sequel) -- and when compared to the closest thing, Muppets YouTube channel, it's holding up quite well, to say the least.
Plus, come to think of it, Muppets Now feels like (not sure whether by design or de facto) it was done on pretty tight budget with core resources only. Maybe that's why there is no musical numbers, though the section title music sounds really good. Who knows, maybe the whole series is a pilot, a chance for Muppets to prove their ability to hold public interest in order to get more funding. Good thing the general reception is much kinder than back in 2015.
THE GOOD PART is seeing Muppets being Muppets in their muppety ways. Apart from Kermit coming out as photobomber in ep.1 (does he also do prank calls at 3am? these days i wouldn't be surprised), and an occasional wince when Chef gets more screen time than they know what to do with (fixed in ep.3 at the cost of his skit becoming 'Denise The Turkey Culinary Show'), the characters are mostly true to their modern days selves, especially the 'original' ones (Pepe, Joe and Uncle Deadly) whose presence outshines the rest.
Kudos and great respect to all the guests -- they know how to act around Muppets and do their best indeed! I was pleasantly surprised by comedic timing and acting ability of Mr. Trejo in ep.2, who, along with Mr. Mole, enhanced their skit quite a bit, but pretty much everyone is being a good sport worthy of the original shows.
The overall feel of the show -- lighthearted PG entertainment, pleasant and unassuming, manages to be different from previous series and fun to watch at the same time -- fits Muppets well. (Don't get me wrong on m2015 -- I'd love to see a muppet sitcom, but it should be sitcom rethought by Muppets, not muppets bent out of shape to fit sitcom stereotypes in an "everything you knew about muppets was wrong" style.)
HOWEVER, compared to earlier periods, I feel that the Muppets are becoming more... diluted, somehow. I can't quite put my finger on it, but compared to MT (Bowl/O2 comparison is probably unfair, because of all those "the best of" bits and songs, and TMS/original productions are in the league of their own), the performance seems somewhat muted, less sharp, like a joke with a muffled punchline.
What is different? Interestingly enough, there are great old-style Muppet gags, e.g. whenever Gonzo is present, take Camilla bit in ep.2 and the fuse in ep.3 for example (conceived by Dave or Jim, i wonder?). Both would work perfectly in any previous muppet show, both got a laugh out of me -- though for some reason it was afterwards, as i was remembering the bits -- somehow it did not quite strike the spark during the episode itself. Maybe it's in the editing, so that switching the camera angle and editing half a second here and there would help? Or maybe muppet humor itself is changing and somehow it did not match the modern style of the rest of the episode?
ONE THING which could be improved in my opinion is the general drive, the groove, the flow of the episode. You know, that park ride feeling where things gradually pick up involving us more and more, until we are delivered to the final fanfare. We don't even need a strong story lines for that -- Matt was right saying that Muppets are primarily a vaudeville comedy troupe dealing with sketches and gags -- but we need a feeling of something rolling thunderingly on, while Muppets weave their vignettes into the process. In older TV series that engine moving the episodes forward was usually 'the show' everyone was working on (so yeah, all those music numbers did help after all), while muppet movies had other more traditional plots. Maybe things would be better if we could buy more into Scooter uploading woes (and were given more time to process all those pop-up messages he gets). Or maybe if the bits started slow and got faster and funnier, that would do the trick.
WHAT WORRIES ME is the gradual metamorphosis of core Muppet characters from their original sympathetic nature, almost as if they are becoming diluted as well. And it's not a problem of Muppets Now, it's something that has been there for a while. Take Miss Piggy -- i'd be happy to see her struggling self during TMS period, but these days her diva persona just does not have that much "Yaaaayy!" factor. In spite of brilliant acting by Eric, her best moments are mainly providing cues for Uncle Deadly to deliver his killer comments upon. Maybe it is an inevitable and necessary phase of her character development, but to me her bits seem more of "ok next" kind lately -- it's as if she's there, she's good, but somehow it doesn't matter as much anymore.
Matt's Kermit is definitely getting better -- whenever script has him acting kermity, there is no more feeling that I am looking at a generic talking frog. Kudos to Matt's artistry and to however wrote the segments (Jim?). However, his appearances also seem kind of diluted in the same way, especially when you imagine how much more on a roll Constantine would be, same segments. (Who can define kermit-ness though... one can only have some sort of a rough idea. Come to think of it, i guess real Kermit-ness might be looking at things through Jim's eyes, if that makes any sense.)
It looks more and more like Frank was right in his thoughts here, no matter how much i want him to be proven wrong (hey, he predicted the Legal Weasel in this interview as well =)):
Could this be remedied by better writing? Maybe, if the writers are willing to take advice from somebody with tons of Muppet hands-on experience, not just being a lifelong fan. Or maybe it can be helped by pushing the current 'original' characters more center stage, something Muppets Now seems to be carefully doing already? (Good thing Jim is there. Btw, where's Kirk? Do we know anything about the rest of the story team?)
REVIEW WISE, I totally agree with this one by David Bianculli, for whom TMS was "one of the first shows I ever reviewed and raved about as a TV critic."
TL;DR: GOOD. CONTINUE.
I FOUND this quote about Star Wars fans on quora which i think fits us here too:
That cooled off my inner Statler quite a bit. =) I think there is the same kind of "Star Wars effect" in action, where the marks for Muppets are set so high that anything new they do will inevitably fall short of expectations, being compared to the legend they grew to be in people's minds.Dorothy Bourgeois said:They don't complain about new movies, they complain about them not being their personal version of what should be.
There is also that generational thing. There is a whole generation of fans introduced to the Muppets via more modern 2011-2015 productions, who might find TMS, TMM and such a bit old-fashioned and full of obsolete references to properly get into. I'm looking at it from the other side -- I rather miss the original TMS, but we have to face it, the times and styles do change, and Muppets do have to adapt to stay current.
Besides, views and opinions differ wildly. Whatever it is, half of the viewers are bound to be complaining -- about exactly the same thing that makes happy the other half. There are different opinions on more/less music numbers, more/less soap opera storylines, more/less modern styling -- such is the way of the world. "More backstage gags" is the only thing that everybody agrees upon, i think.
IT IS WHAT IT IS. Folks, what we got here is neither TMS nor m2015, it is a new kind of YouTube-like upload show, and i guess it should be judged by how well it succeeds at that (e.g. Stranger Things is pretty good as Stranger Things, but would seem rather weird as a Harry Potter sequel) -- and when compared to the closest thing, Muppets YouTube channel, it's holding up quite well, to say the least.
Plus, come to think of it, Muppets Now feels like (not sure whether by design or de facto) it was done on pretty tight budget with core resources only. Maybe that's why there is no musical numbers, though the section title music sounds really good. Who knows, maybe the whole series is a pilot, a chance for Muppets to prove their ability to hold public interest in order to get more funding. Good thing the general reception is much kinder than back in 2015.
THE GOOD PART is seeing Muppets being Muppets in their muppety ways. Apart from Kermit coming out as photobomber in ep.1 (does he also do prank calls at 3am? these days i wouldn't be surprised), and an occasional wince when Chef gets more screen time than they know what to do with (fixed in ep.3 at the cost of his skit becoming 'Denise The Turkey Culinary Show'), the characters are mostly true to their modern days selves, especially the 'original' ones (Pepe, Joe and Uncle Deadly) whose presence outshines the rest.
Kudos and great respect to all the guests -- they know how to act around Muppets and do their best indeed! I was pleasantly surprised by comedic timing and acting ability of Mr. Trejo in ep.2, who, along with Mr. Mole, enhanced their skit quite a bit, but pretty much everyone is being a good sport worthy of the original shows.
The overall feel of the show -- lighthearted PG entertainment, pleasant and unassuming, manages to be different from previous series and fun to watch at the same time -- fits Muppets well. (Don't get me wrong on m2015 -- I'd love to see a muppet sitcom, but it should be sitcom rethought by Muppets, not muppets bent out of shape to fit sitcom stereotypes in an "everything you knew about muppets was wrong" style.)
HOWEVER, compared to earlier periods, I feel that the Muppets are becoming more... diluted, somehow. I can't quite put my finger on it, but compared to MT (Bowl/O2 comparison is probably unfair, because of all those "the best of" bits and songs, and TMS/original productions are in the league of their own), the performance seems somewhat muted, less sharp, like a joke with a muffled punchline.
What is different? Interestingly enough, there are great old-style Muppet gags, e.g. whenever Gonzo is present, take Camilla bit in ep.2 and the fuse in ep.3 for example (conceived by Dave or Jim, i wonder?). Both would work perfectly in any previous muppet show, both got a laugh out of me -- though for some reason it was afterwards, as i was remembering the bits -- somehow it did not quite strike the spark during the episode itself. Maybe it's in the editing, so that switching the camera angle and editing half a second here and there would help? Or maybe muppet humor itself is changing and somehow it did not match the modern style of the rest of the episode?
ONE THING which could be improved in my opinion is the general drive, the groove, the flow of the episode. You know, that park ride feeling where things gradually pick up involving us more and more, until we are delivered to the final fanfare. We don't even need a strong story lines for that -- Matt was right saying that Muppets are primarily a vaudeville comedy troupe dealing with sketches and gags -- but we need a feeling of something rolling thunderingly on, while Muppets weave their vignettes into the process. In older TV series that engine moving the episodes forward was usually 'the show' everyone was working on (so yeah, all those music numbers did help after all), while muppet movies had other more traditional plots. Maybe things would be better if we could buy more into Scooter uploading woes (and were given more time to process all those pop-up messages he gets). Or maybe if the bits started slow and got faster and funnier, that would do the trick.
WHAT WORRIES ME is the gradual metamorphosis of core Muppet characters from their original sympathetic nature, almost as if they are becoming diluted as well. And it's not a problem of Muppets Now, it's something that has been there for a while. Take Miss Piggy -- i'd be happy to see her struggling self during TMS period, but these days her diva persona just does not have that much "Yaaaayy!" factor. In spite of brilliant acting by Eric, her best moments are mainly providing cues for Uncle Deadly to deliver his killer comments upon. Maybe it is an inevitable and necessary phase of her character development, but to me her bits seem more of "ok next" kind lately -- it's as if she's there, she's good, but somehow it doesn't matter as much anymore.
Matt's Kermit is definitely getting better -- whenever script has him acting kermity, there is no more feeling that I am looking at a generic talking frog. Kudos to Matt's artistry and to however wrote the segments (Jim?). However, his appearances also seem kind of diluted in the same way, especially when you imagine how much more on a roll Constantine would be, same segments. (Who can define kermit-ness though... one can only have some sort of a rough idea. Come to think of it, i guess real Kermit-ness might be looking at things through Jim's eyes, if that makes any sense.)
It looks more and more like Frank was right in his thoughts here, no matter how much i want him to be proven wrong (hey, he predicted the Legal Weasel in this interview as well =)):
And I’ve become a director, and I love it — but I love my characters. And by the way, these are good friends of mine who do the characters, and they work really hard. But they can never be as good as me. Just like I could never be as good as them. If they did a character called Joe, and I took over, there’s no way I could do Joe as good as them. Because Joe was in their hearts and their soul.
So they’re in a difficult situation. They’re doing their very best, and they really are trying to be true to the characters. And they actually are. But because they’re not inside me, they don’t know the soul as much. So it’s not fair to them to expect any more than that, because they’re already just trying to do the best job they can. And they’re doing a great job. This is Eric and everybody, these are all my friends.
So this is a long-winded answer, but nevertheless, can the characters evolve, continue without the people who do them? Yes, they can. Will they be as good? No. Will they be as touching and soulful? No. But they will be as quotation marks “good”? Yes, in my opinion.
So they’re in a difficult situation. They’re doing their very best, and they really are trying to be true to the characters. And they actually are. But because they’re not inside me, they don’t know the soul as much. So it’s not fair to them to expect any more than that, because they’re already just trying to do the best job they can. And they’re doing a great job. This is Eric and everybody, these are all my friends.
So this is a long-winded answer, but nevertheless, can the characters evolve, continue without the people who do them? Yes, they can. Will they be as good? No. Will they be as touching and soulful? No. But they will be as quotation marks “good”? Yes, in my opinion.
REVIEW WISE, I totally agree with this one by David Bianculli, for whom TMS was "one of the first shows I ever reviewed and raved about as a TV critic."
BIANCULLI said:My own criticism is short and sweet. My advice if the staff of "Muppets Now" convenes for a second season is simple. Cut the sketches by half, sharpen the writing, keep the weasel and, by all means, bring back the music.
TL;DR: GOOD. CONTINUE.