Kermit at the MTV Video Music Awards

[Kynan Barker]

Hey, that's great news, thanks.

I just put my letter up as an example, and because I wanted to let as many people as possible know how I feel. But I think it's better if everybody tells Disney how you feel in their own words. We all have our own voices -- why would we want to imitate someone else's?

 

[theprawncracker]

Hey, that's great news, thanks.

I just put my letter up as an example, and because I wanted to let as many people as possible know how I feel. But I think it's better if everybody tells Disney how you feel in their own words. We all have our own voices -- why would we want to imitate someone else's?

Agreed. I'm working on my letter as we type!

 

[Kynan Barker]

Drtooth said:

we just don't want to complain the Muppets back into the closet (or Disney Vault as the case may be). Look how long it took them to get the franchise back on track after Oz, which was plagued with nothing but complaints.

Max'sbuddy'sDad said:

Sending letters out that trash Kermit will only want to make them pull them all the way out.

Quite a few people here are worried that complaining will make Disney stop producing new Muppet stuff. Luckily for us, I don't think it works that way. Disney paid a lot of money for the Muppets, and the best way to make that money back is to produce things that people like us want to pay for. They want to please us.

We have very limited power to influence a company like Disney. Our letters and suggestions (and ticket purchases) can guide them, but the Muppets aren't going to pack up and leave showbusiness just because a few fans stomped their feet. So this isn't about stomping our feet or being ungrateful. All we can do is let Disney know how much we DO want the Muppets we know and love. And how much money we want to spend when we get what we want!

Let just see what happens. Did you accept Piggy when Eric first took over her? Do you accept her now? Good question to ask... I know I do.

Actually, 100% of the fans who saw Eric's first appearance did accept her. It was at MuppetFest -- in front of the toughest critics of all -- and not one person noticed the difference!

Eric's set the bar very high for recast performers. But he never asked anyone to cut him slack while he learned on the job. He was a near-perfect substitute for Frank from the very first moment. It might make it harder for other understudies out there, but that's the standard now.

And that's a good thing, for us fans, and for the characters. I want the Muppets to set impossibly high standards! That's how Walt Disney succeeded too. And nobody ever had to say, "Hey, cut Jim Henson some slack, he's doing his best." Jim just made sure his best was always THE best.

I want the Muppets to be the best!

 

[theprawncracker]

And that's a good thing, for us fans, and for the characters. I want the Muppets to set impossibly high standards! That's how Walt Disney succeeded too. And nobody ever had to say, "Hey, cut Jim Henson some slack, he's doing his best." Jim just made sure his best was always THE best.

I want the Muppets to be the best!

Right on! THIS is what Disney needs to hear, gang! They don't need to hear passive, "Oh, Kermit wasn't THAT bad..." They need to hear that he wasn't the BEST, as he ALWAYS should be.

 

[frogboy4]

Disney wouldn't stop promoting the Muppets due to some fan complaints on performance quality. I'm glad we're making our voices heard. I think there's a chance they'll listen. Whatever it takes to get Steve back under the frog.

 

[Drtooth]

That's the point I'm trying to make. I have seen it actually happen... fan complaining leading to the death of a project or a massive collection of projects ( man... I wonder what happened to the member Jimhensonhour... he knows what I'm talking about). We want them to know we're unsatisfied with Kermit being recast with no given reason (more so the latter for me) and we want the same person performing Kermit for these great new projects. if there's some way to politely state that while congratulating them on the new success, I think they'll be inclined to listen more. We just have to remember, as fans, we have to express out displeasure, as opposed to rudely complaining. I'm gonna e-mail them at some point as well (I'm working on something while I'm typing) about this.

But then... I wonder if this also could be a matter of Steve and not just Disney. Best we can do is to keep asking until we find out what's going on.

 

[Jamie B]

That's the point I'm trying to make. I have seen it actually happen... fan complaining leading to the death of a project or a massive collection of projects ...
But then... I wonder if this also could be a matter of Steve and not just Disney. Best we can do is to keep asking until we find out what's going on.

Don't worry, Dr Tooth - no one is suggesting being rude, but your worries are very valid and Disney should be hearing them, and now before any of these plans continue without our best efforts to tell them we want Steve at the core of things. It's definitely the time to tell them before any more mediocre performances damage the Muppets' good name. I agree with Kynan, and want nothing but the BEST for our frog!

Just say how excited you are about everything, except anything you are worried about, and your opinion will register loud and clear without doing any damage. It can only help, I feel!

 

[Blinky_Fish]

Okay... My turn

Look, All I have to say about this is that, As long as Kermit is out there - I don't care what he does in a public performance - it's the films and TV shows that matter most. And the best thing is Kermit is out there!

My thoughts on Where in the world is Steve Whitmire? - I agree I have come to enjoy Steve as the definitive replacement for Jim. And something just does not seem right when he is not working Kermit. But I do remember the days of MCC...

I think that we should all show appreciation for what Steve and his family, and the Henson Crews commit to this effort of keeping puppetry alive. If it's a company thing - You all have been warned with the republican govt taking funds away from public broadcasting and the recession hurts private companies like Disney. I hope Steve is well. Artie should be proud of the confidence he is being shown to work with the Kermit icon. He will get better too. "Lighten up Francis " to pull a movie quote...

Personally, I think that Gonzo should be the public face of the Muppets - Dave is Great with spontaneous stuff. And he is a legitimate funny guy, not a poser.

Support the jim henson legacy

 

[Kynan Barker]

I don't care what he does in a public performance - it's the films and TV shows that matter most. And the best thing is Kermit is out there!

Kermit is only "out there" to get the public interested in watching those films and TV shows. And a substandard Kermit is going to attract a lot less people.

I understand why some of us fans think films and TV shows are more important. But if the Muppets aren't giving 100% every time they make an appearance, no matter how "minor," then they won't have many more chances to do the big things.

Don't you think if viewers get the impression that Kermit is a shadow of his former self, that they're never going to bother seeing how good he can be in the next movie?

 

[frogboy4]

Kermit is only "out there" to get the public interested in watching those films and TV shows. And a substandard Kermit is going to attract a lot less people.

I understand why some of us fans think films and TV shows are more important. But if the Muppets aren't giving 100% every time they make an appearance, no matter how "minor," then they won't have many more chances to do the big things.

Don't you think if viewers get the impression that Kermit is a shadow of his former self, that they're never going to bother seeing how good he can be in the next movie?

I agree with you. The quality and consistency of Kermit the Frog is what distinguishes him and keeps him from being an empty icon. Kermit has never suffered the watered-down Mickey Mouse fate of serving as a bland figurehead. He has wit, soulfulness and energy. All of that was sorely missing in these non-Whitmire performances of late.

(note: I like Mickey, but don't want Kermit to turn into a logo)