Differences in Sesame Street then and now

[Drtooth]

Feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

YES! It has been proven that kids like Elmo more. Why do you think he's on so much if kids like the other characters? it only makes sense.

Saying "the show isn't good enough" is pretty much the most CLOSED MINDED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD! What is good enough? All the old characters? Do you really think they want to cater to bitter old 20+ year old fans, or the real target audience of preschoolers?

I'm taking the REALITY route here. I'm sure that kids probably like seening kids in outdated clothes and typewriters....

I've had it with these one sided complaints. Boo hoo... SS changed. Get over it! Stop complaining, if you want to live in the past watch old episodes. I'm not saying the changes are good, I'm saying they were necissarry!

I;'m sure if parents like you raised the majority of kids who watch the show, it would be like the old days. But read my "Stupid parental review" thread and read the reviews I posted. THOSE are the parents that raise kids on SS, albiet too young.

TV has become a baby sitter. how else would D grade shows like Blues clues and maisy got so popular.

The reason why Unpaved and the rest were kicked off Noggin was because they tested bad with kids, and without SW's hand in the network, they were pulled because, and ssetta has said this time and again, kids like this crap better. I'm surprised SS is as good as it is now with all the competition.

I do not run SW, and If I did, I'd keep it as much as the original as I could. Remember, society and psycologists are to blaime for the changes, not Elmo, Zoe, or Baby bear. For crying out loud, they're someone's hand up a bunch of felt and fur. The puppeteers are doing their all with what they have, and they're doing a great job with it.

The reason why SS is structtured now is beacuse a bunch of educators and psycologists think that random skits here and there lead to ADD or disorganized minds. It does sound stupid. It probably isn't true. but that's what they want.

Plus the fact they don't have the high budget they used to because of PBS's lack of funding.

I'm not defending the new SS, I'm pointing out SIMPLE FACTS for why it's not entertainin g on a bitter 20+ year old fan level. It is and ever will be A KID'S SHOW! KIDS ARE SUPPOSED TO WATCH IT, NOT 20+ YEAR OLD NONPARENTS!!!! They can if they want to, but if you're putt off by the new SS, do tape trades for old episodes.

I'm trying to explain the obvious to people too pig headed to open up and look at the world around them.

yes. i am not happy with the changes. I want them to change it back, but nI FEEL the show should continue, for the kid's sake.

but I guess they could give in to the fans sake, load the show up with nothing but classic skits, bore and confuse the audince which consists mainly of kids too young to watch TV (no thanks to TV being a parent) leading to the show's ultimate demise, and replacing it with a half made crappy knockoff that no one will remember in 2 years. Sound good?

I'm not defending the changes, just stating actual facts that were proven by the educatiors and psycologists who ruined the show (because of all the data that TV "Screws up" kids). And I accept them as long as the show goes on entertaining and teaching more Preschoolers.


Now I've said my last word on the matter, so you can go back to your nostalgic whining without any real world interruptions!

 

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Feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

YES! It has been proven that kids like Elmo more. Why do you think he's on so much if kids like the other characters? it only makes sense.

Saying "the show isn't good enough" is pretty much the most CLOSED MINDED THING I HAVE EVER HEARD! What is good enough? All the old characters? Do you really think they want to cater to bitter old 20+ year old fans, or the real target audience of preschoolers?

I'm taking the REALITY route here. I'm sure that kids probably like seening kids in outdated clothes and typewriters....

I've had it with these one sided complaints. Boo hoo... SS changed. Get over it! Stop complaining, if you want to live in the past watch old episodes. I'm not saying the changes are good, I'm saying they were necissarry!

I;'m sure if parents like you raised the majority of kids who watch the show, it would be like the old days. But read my "Stupid parental review" thread and read the reviews I posted. THOSE are the parents that raise kids on SS, albiet too young.

TV has become a baby sitter. how else would D grade shows like Blues clues and maisy got so popular.

The reason why Unpaved and the rest were kicked off Noggin was because they tested bad with kids, and without SW's hand in the network, they were pulled because, and ssetta has said this time and again, kids like this crap better. I'm surprised SS is as good as it is now with all the competition.

I do not run SW, and If I did, I'd keep it as much as the original as I could. Remember, society and psycologists are to blaime for the changes, not Elmo, Zoe, or Baby bear. For crying out loud, they're someone's hand up a bunch of felt and fur. The puppeteers are doing their all with what they have, and they're doing a great job with it.

The reason why SS is structtured now is beacuse a bunch of educators and psycologists think that random skits here and there lead to ADD or disorganized minds. It does sound stupid. It probably isn't true. but that's what they want.

Plus the fact they don't have the high budget they used to because of PBS's lack of funding.

I'm not defending the new SS, I'm pointing out SIMPLE FACTS for why it's not entertainin g on a bitter 20+ year old fan level. It is and ever will be A KID'S SHOW! KIDS ARE SUPPOSED TO WATCH IT, NOT 20+ YEAR OLD NONPARENTS!!!! They can if they want to, but if you're putt off by the new SS, do tape trades for old episodes.

I'm trying to explain the obvious to people too pig headed to open up and look at the world around them.

yes. i am not happy with the changes. I want them to change it back, but nI FEEL the show should continue, for the kid's sake.

but I guess they could give in to the fans sake, load the show up with nothing but classic skits, bore and confuse the audince which consists mainly of kids too young to watch TV (no thanks to TV being a parent) leading to the show's ultimate demise, and replacing it with a half made crappy knockoff that no one will remember in 2 years. Sound good?

I'm not defending the changes, just stating actual facts that were proven by the educatiors and psycologists who ruined the show (because of all the data that TV "Screws up" kids). And I accept them as long as the show goes on entertaining and teaching more Preschoolers.


Now I've said my last word on the matter, so you can go back to your nostalgic whining without any real world interruptions!

It seems like the one who is "whining" the most around here is you, Drtooth. The rest of us are just stating our opinions.

First of all, let's give the other characters FAIR competition with Elmo and then we can really see. Right now Elmo gets so much air time, it's like a one Muppet race.

Furthermore, I don't consider Noggin's airings of Unpaved to be an adequate test for one simple reason. They ran the same episodes so many times that even the most avid Sesame Street fan would get tired of seeing them. Of course the ratings dropped, many just recorded them to share with their children and there was no longer any reason to tune in. A true test would be to show every episode of Sesame Street from 1969 to 1989.

Since you are so eager to accept the changes on Sesame Street, you should be just as eager to accept new shows that have been "kid tested" like the Teletubbies. That show was made for kids too, you know, not you.

Drtooth, I'd be glad to debate the old vs. new Sesame Street, but if you're going to get that upset and emotional over the opinions of nostalgic Sesame Street fans, I'm really not sure what you're doing here. I think there are many people here who do not believe the current format is any good. It's not being closed minded, it's a difference of opinion, something you seem to have difficulty accepting. You've made it clear that you don't like hearing our complaints, but what you haven't made clear is why you choose to log on here if it upsets you so much.

 

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Feels like I'm talking to a brick wall.

Speaking of brick walls, remember the good old days when muppets skits were done behind a high brick wall? I wish they'd show more of those oldies but goodies.

 

[jrod]

I personally feel that the problem can be solved if there could be either a channel that would show vintage ss, fraggle, muppet babies, etc.,or have vintage ss on dvd, vhs, etc. A lot of longtime SS fans (myself included) would be thrilled to have vintage SS on dvd. The Sesame dvds that are being produced do have a lot of new SS and little vintage SS(I am still trying to find a SS dvd that has a LOT of vintage SS. There's like 48 SS dvd's in all). I do have "What's the Name of That Song?" and I really enjoyed it aside from the cheesy floating number/letter segment. I do feel nostalgic watching it however even though it was not like the format I remember as a child. Even when I was little, Elmo was my favorite muppet and still is today. It's good to see him more on new SS, however, I do miss the old characters (Mumford, Guy Smiley, Barkley, Snuffy, etc.). I think one good idea that can occur that would satisfy both audiences of SS would be to show vintage SS during prime time or around 10 or so(I can't stand those bbc shows that are on late at night). I do think that kids today would enjoy the old sketches and music, however, they might be a little puzzled by the look of the animation, clothes, etc.(I recently bought 3 old episodes of "Electric Company" and it looked VERY 70's. I think most kids today would say "That's weird!").Finally, PBS needs to bring back the old 1970's logo with the tri colored pbs logo and the weird music!