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I can understand what Lisa & Brian said about Steve, even if they didn't like him, at least they were professional about it. But Cheryl's statement on facebook still shocks me. I always imagined everyone in the muppet world as one big family. Guess I was foolish to think that.

I was scared of The Count but I also remember him being my favorite SS muppet.

I don't think I've come here daily in a while. It is great, even if what we're discussing isn't.

The more I think about it, it's just super sad that the Henson Family loath Steve like that. One would think that they would be super close. Guess that's not the case.

Completly agree. They gave them up and that was their decision. They have no say in anything.

What I'm wondering is when he started to give notes about how to rewrite stuff. Surely, he had to have done it for trash like MWoO.

Agreed. I want to hear Dave Goelz's input. He's worked with him the longest and is likely his closest companion.

Ugh, I don't know what to think anymore. At first, I was really sad for Steve, but then his kids come in and start bashing him. I feel like at the end of the day, Steve meant well though.

My respect for Cheryl Henson has gone from 100 to 0 in the span of like 5 hours. To post hurtful comments is one thing, but to then delete them and pretend you never posted them is worse. Just wow.

This part is really jarring to me "Brian Henson, the company’s chairman and Jim Henson’s son, said that while Mr. Whitmire’s Kermit was “sometimes excellent, and always pretty good,” things changed when he was off set. “He’d send emails and letters attacking everyone, attacking the writing and...

For some reason, I've never gotten used to Matt's count or Rudman's scooter, but I have gotten used to Steve's kermit (and now that's gone). Rudman and Vogel are great performers, but I guess it'll just take a little time to get used to.

Matt's count always sounds a little bit like Constantine as well.

Love this.

I can't really make out Peter Linz's voice. Are you sure? If so, poor Billy.

Shouldn't the muppet thought of the week been released by now?

Thank you! I was tempted to post something like that. What has she done for the characters? Why does her input matter?

This is seriously getting annoying. It's never going to be easy to fill in the role of Kermit the frog. Steve tried his best and did very well in my opinion. I'd like to see Frank oz or any of the henson family perform kermit.

Cheryl Henson, that is so uncalled for. I can't even believe someone would write that. Steve put his heart and soul into working with the muppets for so long and he did an amazing job as Kermit. I'm honestly so mad right now.

Dark times are already here. The Muppets failed in theaters and on the small screen. We won't be getting much (if anything) aside from 5 second youtube videos that aren't funny or entertaining.

Happy birthday Dave. Thank you for all you've done with the muppets!