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Maybe Alice did perform her in the first episode. Some shows do have different actors or VAs in pilot episodes than in the rest of the series. So it's possible it could have been both of them who performed her.

I kind of agree with D'Snowth there. It could be only coincidental that the Muppets got the shaft on two Tom Bergeron shows it doesn't mean Tom himself had anything to do with it. I mean look at how often the Muppets were on "Hollywood Squares." No big issues there. (Okay, maybe contestants...

I was thinking of it as more of a symptom of kleptomania or sort of somewhere along those lines.

I agree there. You would think there was a friendship blossoming between the two of them and it seemed like there was up to that point, but I guess they wanted to go with a comedic twist on that one. But, oh well, he'll always have Kermit. Well, maybe she just wasn't around. I mean not all...

Yeah. That was a big disappointment. It was only brief appearances by the Muppets. If I had known that, I may not have sat through the whole thing. Well you know the old saying: Rats.

Yeah. Dave's good with Janice's 'fer sure's,' but the voice just doesn't sound quite like Richards. Heck, his sounds a bit more like Erin Ozner. Oh, well. He hasn't been doing the characters for very long. He should get better with time. After all, Steve's Kermit was kind of weak as well...

Yeah. I've been thinking about that recently as well. Seems like Eric has trouble getting Fozzie out of the first season. He really needs to make his voice, a little more like Bert. Though, I thought his Fozzie voice was really good in IVAMCMM. It's okay, Lady. Dwayne's a good guy. But...

Yeah, I think you and Dwayne are on the same page with your line of thinking about Henson never wanting the Muppets to be aimed at kids from the get go. I think people often consider "Sesame Street" and "The Muppets" in the same light, but the target audience is different. Seems as if people...

Sort of looks like a "Scooby Doo" episode. "Okay, gang. Now let's see who this mutant rabbit really is!"

Yeah. That's kind of how I feel about swearing. That's why I stopped watching Top Model this season, because in about every episode they focus on dirty phrases like 'bad ***' or 'pi**ed off' which they keep repeating over and over again. Heck, I didn't like Penn Jillete's constant use of the...

It's okay, Dwayne. We see what you're saying. It's true that was never Jim's intention of making the Muppets for kids, but it doesn't change the fact that kids and adults both love the Muppets, so that's basically the point of this discussion, it's okay to use adult humor. But it's good to...

Exactly. That was my point in my earlier post about "Three's Company." Come and knock on my door anytime. :) Hokey smoke! I almost forgot about that one. Wasn't that why MT! didn't work out? Because they tried the same formula, but they just didn't seem to cut it. Though that could...

Well, the good news about that is whenever Carroll does decide to retire, BB and Oscar having different puppeteers might allow them more interaction. Though there have been quite a few memorable moments where Carroll would do double duty as both of them in a scene, most famously on "Christmas...

Yeah, that's why I prefer to hang out with friends who are Christian and have the same moral values that I do.

Yeah. I've taken a lot of heat about that from my family, from my dorm mates when I was in college, etc. Overall, it's the same deal about watching early "Sesame Street" things online. Like I said, some people think it's immature. But it's just part of nostalgia. It's the same thing about...

I agree with that completely, for a time my dad had issues when I would watch or do anything Sesame Street or Muppet related. Heck, even recently my mom has complained about me watching SS stuff on You Tube (from the show's early years, I mean). Parents don't seem to understand that this is...

Yeah, where are those good old-fashioned values on which we used to rely? Exactly. People have criticized me for not liking swearing and things like that, but it's good that some people here are sort of in agreement with me on this. There are shows out there with adult humor, but they keep...

I really miss the days when you couldn't swear on TV. Heck, that's why I'm not watching "Top Model" tonight. The language on that one has gotten worse and worse throughout the years or even on TV in general. I still don't think there was any excuse to open the Macy's parade with the "He** of...

Plus, ABC dropped his use of that word when they aired the movie. Hard to believe this is the same network that left the word intact. Lol.

Yeah. That's pretty much what Sam the Eagle said. Though the Muppets did sing "It's Hard to be Humble" and the word was used in that song.