Why are today's kids so spoiled?

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God is God. He knows what will happen before it does.

And according to the Old Testament God punished people back then for doing the same things we're complaining about nowadays. These problems are as old as time itself and nothing new.

Yes, and I'm sure that happens with some kids. Unfortunately not many understand that and don't turn out as the wholesome person.

Then that's who they are as people, and they would be whether there was Television or not.

 

[Hubert]

Ah yes, another one of those "everything sucks today" threads. I have almost never personally encountered a single kid who was a stereotypical spoiled, troublemaking brat like what Hubert described. However, I have encountered plenty of fowl-mouths and tantrum-throwers even during childhood, so none of this is new.

Not necessarily... yeah, we did end up kind of steering towards that direction, but we were trying to get to the root of the problem presented by the OP, as to why kids seem to be the way they are today.

Yeah. Would've responded to mr3urious's post, but D'Snowth pretty much said it. We're just talking about why the kids are the way they actually are and the reasons behind it.

And according to the Old Testament God punished people back then for doing the same things we're complaining about nowadays. These problems are as old as time itself and nothing new.

Yes, I understand that, but over time recently, some of these problems have rose up to a much higher level. It's not really the problems themselves, it's how they have escalated.

Then that's who they are as people, and they would be whether there was Television or not.

Sometimes. But other times television, movies, and internet influence young people into being that unwholesome person. Where are the main ways kids learn bad stuff? Sometimes it's parents, often times it's media. Which is my explanation to why the problems have escalated over time: media popped in. Before, with just parental influence, the problems weren't as bad as now.

If I'm coming across as stating that television and movies are bad, that is not my attention. I'm a super huge TV and movie fan, I love entertainment! Entertainment is great...if it's made and used properly. I'm talking about how entertainment has been hurting our society, but it has helped too. After all, I may have become one of the kids I've been talking about if it wasn't for the Muppets.

 

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Yes, I understand that, but over time recently, some of these problems have rose up to a much higher level. It's not really the problems themselves, it's how they have escalated.

I just don't think you get much worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. Or a world where the only people worth preserving was Noah's family and some animals.

Sometimes. But other times television, movies, and internet influence young people into being that unwholesome person. Where are the main ways kids learn bad stuff? Sometimes it's parents, often times it's media.

In my opinion a great overwhelming majority of the time it's the parents. And those same parents blame the media because they can't admit or recognize where they've failed.

Entertainment is great...if it's made and used properly. I'm talking about how entertainment has been hurting our society, but it has helped too. After all, I may have become one of the kids I've been talking about if it wasn't for the Muppets.

The way I view entertainment, it doesn't create good or bad. It simply feeds into inclinations we already have, for good or bad. And if it wasn't entertainment, it would be something else.

 

[Hubert]

I just don't think you get much worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. Or a world where the only people worth preserving was Noah's family and some animals.

But...God promised never to destroy the people on the earth again. Who knows if he'd have done it again if not?

In my opinion a great overwhelming majority of the time it's the parents. And those same parents blame the media because they can't admit or recognize where they've failed.

It is the parents at some points, as I said earlier, but I think it would more be both together. The parents neglect their children, so their children find the bad stuff world.

The way I view entertainment, it doesn't create good or bad. It simply feeds into inclinations we already have, for good or bad. And if it wasn't entertainment, it would be something else.

Now I have to completely disagree there. See, I can guarantee I would be a lot worse if I didn't happen to be introduced to the Muppets. It's sort of a first hand experience thing...now, I don't know if you have, but you kind of have to witness both sides with your own two eyes.

 

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Now I have to completely disagree there. See, I can guarantee I would be a lot worse if I didn't happen to be introduced to the Muppets. It's sort of a first hand experience thing...now, I don't know if you have, but you kind of have to witness both sides with your own two eyes.

I'm just saying that positive entertainment like the Muppets taps into what we already have. That's a good thing. And in turn negative entertainment feeds into our weaker inclinations.

I'm going to go for a random, obscure entertainment reference here, hehe. I remember an episode of The Monkees where Peter is giving the ability to play the harp by the devil (yeah just go with it, lol), but then the devil takes the gift taken away. Or so he thinks. But Mike sees it differently: "The power's inside you. Nobody can give it to you. Nobody can take it away."

 

[D'Snowth]

I have a feeling that something big is going to be happening in the entertainment industry soon. Just read the "What do you/did you want to do when you grow up" thread. By reading that, it makes you confident that us at MC can walk in and make some good stuff for TV. And really, I don't see a reason why not. Who better than to do it than the followers of one of the great entertainment pioneers?

You know what I would like to have happen? You ever heard of "The Rural Purge"? We need something like that, only in reverse: instead of canceling a whole bunch of popular shows at once because they're "no longer relevant", we need to release a whole bunch of new shows that aim to bring audiences together again: not shows aimed specifically at adults, and not shows aimed specifically at kids, shows for everybody. A real-life "Clean-up Brigade", if you will... only a different title since that's already been used, lol.

But yeah, I once had a mock show pitch once, and I was asked (and later told this question is asked all the time) who my target audience was, and I said plainly and clearly, I have no target audience, because I don't want to limit what I do to any one specific demographic.

 

[Drtooth]

In my opinion a great overwhelming majority of the time it's the parents. And those same parents blame the media because they can't admit or recognize where they've failed.

There are cases where no matter how well they raise their kid, circumstances beyond the parents control screw them up... but blaming the media is something every stupid generation did to try to explain that kids who are screwed up are everyone's fault but theirs. Remember the dogooder that screwed up comic books, and said "that's where Juvenile Delinquents come from: only because of circumstantial evidence that J.D.'s had comics in their possession? That was all the way back in the 50's.

Now we have Kids are fat because cartoons are on boxes of stuff and junk food exists and is accessible, or kids are sexualized because sex exists in the media. Not there's a huge class gap that causes poor families to have to rely on cheap, processed foods or the fact we give kids too much busy homework that they don't want to go out and play or anything like that... not the kids that are inclined to be sexually active usually have poor grades and no future, so they basically don't care what happens or the woman's in an increasingly abusive relationship. There's no room for complexity or treating cases any different. It's all one big thing that has to be gotten rid of right away because it's so horrible and we're too impatient to deal with the issue in a clear, concise, sane, rational, mature way.

Nope... now we can't even have bake sales to fund underfunded schools because we're so worried about the obesity hype-o-demic that we're going to start another Prohibition.

The way I view entertainment, it doesn't create good or bad. It simply feeds into inclinations we already have, for good or bad. And if it wasn't entertainment, it would be something else.

I don't see why everyone has a problem with fictitious sex scenes in television shows and movies when we have a culture where we make celebrities out of wealthy hussies that make sex tapes. Why are we following the Khardashians? What's their worth to society? They're even WORSE than Paris Hilton. And we shouldn't have had her in the first place.

You know what makes me laugh? The fact that TLC had a show called "All American Muslims" that was so controversial that people were pulling funding out (not looking xenophobic at all), and it got canceled because they were SO incredibly normal, it was too dull to watch. Meanwhile, NO ONE has anything bad to say about reality shows where backstabbing is rewarded, "half ton" people are put on display, crazy people with way too many kids who want to get on television are put on the same display, people yelling insults at other people until they cry, and of course, reality shows starring said sex tape trust fund brats. They just hated this show because it's the same race of people who did something bad.

Where are those whining about decency on television? They're crying about GCB and Don't Trust the B in Apartment 23 because they have cuss words subliminally in the title.

 

[Hubert]

I don't see why everyone has a problem with fictitious sex scenes in television shows and movies when we have a culture where we make celebrities out of wealthy hussies that make sex tapes. Why are we following the Khardashians? What's their worth to society? They're even WORSE than Paris Hilton. And we shouldn't have had her in the first place.

Except for the people that has a problem with that stuff too...

You know what I would like to have happen? You ever heard of "The Rural Purge"? We need something like that, only in reverse: instead of canceling a whole bunch of popular shows at once because they're "no longer relevant", we need to release a whole bunch of new shows that aim to bring audiences together again: not shows aimed specifically at adults, and not shows aimed specifically at kids, shows for everybody. A real-life "Clean-up Brigade", if you will... only a different title since that's already been used, lol.

But yeah, I once had a mock show pitch once, and I was asked (and later told this question is asked all the time) who my target audience was, and I said plainly and clearly, I have no target audience, because I don't want to limit what I do to any one specific demographic.

Yes, that would be great if we could get a whole bunch of new shows at one time. Then that style entertainment could begin to play a bigger role, and it may also result in some other not great shows being broadcast less. The thing you have to be careful with would be to not just dish out shows nonstop; you have to make sure that it is quality entertainment and not just cheap, no good shows.

 

[Bannanasketch]

Interesting discussion. I agree with Hubert and D'snowth. Kids are being exposed to some things waaaay too early.

 

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Interesting discussion. I agree with Hubert and D'snowth. Kids are being exposed to some things waaaay too early.

Well that's why we have parents in theory, hehe.