The Bible and Love and Christians

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Herman Cain wants to repeal the repeal of DADT (for the same pandering to the religious right they always have to pull), and supposedly gave the "it's a choice" myth

I know this isn't very scientific of me to say, but I really think if homosexuality was purely a choice, and people could just switch back and forth, a lot more people would have done it by now. I don't feel like my attraction to men is something I'm choosing to feel, anymore than I'm choosing to feel hungry, you know?

 

[Drtooth]

I know this isn't very scientific of me to say, but I really think if homosexuality was purely a choice, and people could just switch back and forth, a lot more people would have done it by now. I don't feel like my attraction to men is something I'm choosing to feel, anymore than I'm choosing to feel hungry, you know?

Exactly. If it was a choice, people wouldn't purposely choose to do something so vilified, and they could switch back and fourth whenever they pleased.

But the main thing is, even amongst conservatives, they're starting to get sick of these wedge issues that do nothing but scare votes into people. I remember hearing a lot of people voted for Bush, not because they liked the wars or his policies, but the fact that they were afraid a Democrat would stand up for gay rights.

Again, THIS is the separation between Church and State I want to see. People voting for the good of the country and not people voting for fears of something that's highly debated amongst religious scholars anyway.

Still, you have these dumb wars that are costing us billions, bankrupting us, making us look like school yard bullies in the world order, killing civilians, killing our own men... same ol' same ol, yadda yadda... but the ONE thing they refuse is to let gays fight so rich upperclass twits who benefit financially due to stock ownership don't have to.

 

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Exactly. If it was a choice, people wouldn't purposely choose to do something so vilified, and they could switch back and fourth whenever they pleased.

Weeelll I disagree that people wouldn't purposely choose to do a vilified thing. People do that all the time in fact, hehe.

 

[Bannanasketch]

Excuse me, I'm jumping in. I noticed a conversation started about Herman Cain's view on homosexuality. I know you're getting this information from his appearance on The View, but if you look at the whole interview, he goes on to say he would base his decisions on the constitution. Not on his personal beliefs. That's the President's job. I support Herman Cain.

 

[Drtooth]

Excuse me, I'm jumping in. I noticed a conversation started about Herman Cain's view on homosexuality. I know you're getting this information from his appearance on The View, but if you look at the whole interview, he goes on to say he would base his decisions on the constitution. Not on his personal beliefs. That's the President's job. I support Herman Cain.

That's not the point.

I'm saying these religious based wedge issues are counter productive to the country, and finally the gay Repbulican community is growing a pair and telling them to avoid that sort of garbage and get back to the real issues.

Repealing the repeal of DADT will do nothing but say, "HEY! Vote for me because I don't like gays." That doesn't put food on anyone's plate, that doesn't solve anything, that's just another pointless wedge.

Personally, I hate all of them on all sides and there's no one that will appeal to me at all, mainstream or indie... though Herman's one of the ones I am the least horrified by.

 

[beaker]

Excuse me, I'm jumping in. I noticed a conversation started about Herman Cain's view on homosexuality. I know you're getting this information from his appearance on The View, but if you look at the whole interview, he goes on to say he would base his decisions on the constitution. Not on his personal beliefs. That's the President's job. I support Herman Cain.

I like him over Obama. Obama is too waffly(and I usually love waffles)
And I do like pizza...even if Cain was behind a failed pizza chain.

Anyways, I want to say we've missed you here in this thread. Things got a bit too...uh, fascistic as of late.

 

[Drtooth]

I like him over Obama. Obama is too waffly(and I usually love waffles)
And I do like pizza...even if Cain was behind a failed pizza chain.

I don't like his Neo-Con yesman attitude towards the Wall Street protesters. That's my only real beef.

Sure, I find their message muddled, and sure, they need to better organize themselves (sadly, I think they could learn their organization from the Tea Party), but at least they're saying what most Americans are thinking... that capitalism has been destroyed, not by socialism, but by those who rigged the game so they'd win. I'm really starting to agree with the hands off Big Business attitude towards government... they do NOT deserve higher subsidies and loopholes and tax bailouts if they refuse to hire anybody.

 

[beaker]

I don't like his Neo-Con yesman attitude towards the Wall Street protesters. That's my only real beef.

Sure, I find their message muddled, and sure, they need to better organize themselves (sadly, I think they could learn their organization from the Tea Party), but at least they're saying what most Americans are thinking... that capitalism has been destroyed, not by socialism, but by those who rigged the game so they'd win. I'm really starting to agree with the hands off Big Business attitude towards government... they do NOT deserve higher subsidies and loopholes and tax bailouts if they refuse to hire anybody.

Oh I love the Occupy Wallstreet folks. I'm like it's about time the left grew a pair!

 

[frogboy4]

Excuse me, I'm jumping in. I noticed a conversation started about Herman Cain's view on homosexuality. I know you're getting this information from his appearance on The View, but if you look at the whole interview, he goes on to say he would base his decisions on the constitution. Not on his personal beliefs. That's the President's job. I support Herman Cain.

Herman Cain is a noted bigot who asks us to prove a negative. He has already admitted that his religious views on this matter and others would sway public policy. Before he does that, could he prove to me the 100% science that God exists? See, it works both ways. I just don't see why we all can't get along without having to qualify ourselves to others. Herman Cain has about as much right to tinker in my life as I do in his.

 

[beaker]

Herman Cain is a noted bigot who asks us to prove a negative. He has already admitted that his religious views on this matter and others would sway public policy. Before he does that, could he prove to me the 100% science that God exists? See, it works both ways. I just don't see why we all can't get along without having to qualify ourselves to others. Herman Cain has about as much right to tinker in my life as I do in his.

Yeah as much as I criticize Obama, he definitely seems to not budge on support gay rights, whereas before he became President his positions were coy at best. It is very troubling to think of potential candidates that would seek or allow an undoing of all that.