The Bible and Love and Christians

[Drtooth]

Absolutely. America's infrastructure is crumbling(roads, freeways, bridges, schools, whole cities) So many people of all races and areas are out of work, feeling let down, struggling. Yet aside from a few good republicans/independents/democrats on the hill, most do not have our interests overall. They rather spend trillions on needless corporate wars and get 6500 US soldiers needlessly killed while giving tens of billions to the state sponsors of the terrorists/insurgents they're fighting. They defunded ACORN which was helping poor black people afford housing, but continue to federally fund provenly criminal defense contractors and bailout corrupt banks. And the lobbyists, corporate welfare, etc. I feel bad for all the seniors and middle aged people being suckered into this "Tea Party" mentality, since it's the GOP strategists behind that fake dissent.

Even the some of the civilian "left" bugs me. The "American Athiests" are trying to have the morale boosting and symbolic steel beam cross removed from the 9/11 memorial.
Meanwhile right wing politicians have passed a law saying mothers have to prove it was a miscarriage or face jail time. It's just nuts.

And the ones that do have our interests weasel and whimper and side with the loud mentality or just screw up their own plans overall. The best anyone can hope for is something mutually beneficial. And any time when we have someone who makes it his business to clean up after something, he gets sucked into the very same something he was supposed to clean up.

As for the Teabags? It is definitely funded by right wing interests, but it was started by loonytarians and their "Git offa mah land" political views. So basically we have the same people that had "Let's Bomb France next" bumper stickers that listened to the spoonfed pro-war mob mentality PRETENDING to be the very same libertarians that don't actually like them. And need to say that a certain Australian phone tapper owned news organization gives them a couple hand outs?

Seriously, though... the "Fake-thiests?" The ones that whine about Christmas and Ten Commandments on courthouses but are total thumblethumbed drooling nitwits when it comes to gay rights? Yeah, way to give O'Reilly and the Fox hucksters more fodder.

You know that Oslo terrorist? Apparently, when it was traced that he was a Christian nationalist, the right went all full scale "Ah... the Liberal Godless Heathen controled media brainwashing factory of doom is saying all Christians are evil and stupid again! They want to rename Christmas and forcibly abort babies again! Why do those gay loving racist communist scary word scary word scary word hate us so much?" Yeah. I wonder where the sharp deep divide comes from. But then again, they think that every single Mooselan was to blame for 9/11. I love that. Tolerant people have to be tolerant of everything, or people proven to be intolerant will call them out for it. Oh, that and only ONE party is religious, apparently... the one that gets its knickers in a bunch when 2 gay guys want to marry and adopt, but doesn't mind relentless Crusades age killing of like minded fundamentalists.

I'm sick of the poor having to continuously tighten their belts while the only belt tightening the criminal corporations do is firing more people and destroying jobs. But HEY! Anything to make up a little money in the short run before losing everything in the long run, right?

 

[Bannanasketch]

For the record, the main reason why I stopped posting in this thread as often is because it's turning into a political argument and not focusing on the original topic at hand. There are some members on this thread who are changing this thread into a constant political debate everytime they get the oppurtunity, while there are others who try to get this thread back on track. Also, I'm seeing comments made here that seem to be bashing other political views that other members (such as myself) may find offensive. I'm all for stating your beliefs but a lot of this is basically mocking them and it's not a very civil way to state your own political views.

What I'm trying to say is that we should get this thread back to it's original topic at hand and stop changing the subject to make it political. We should actually talk about the Bible and Love and Christians like the name suggests.

 

[frogboy4]

I can agree with a lot of that. There are some ties to the conversation here and there, but it does keep going off on tangents.

This "bible, love and christians" thread was started as a response to gay bullying and the "it gets better videos". If anything political is on-topic, right now it's that two granny-aged women were the first to get married in now liberated NY! Colbert has a funny little bit about it. I'll post if if there's time.

 

[Drtooth]

I can agree with a lot of that. There are some ties to the conversation here and there, but it does keep going off on tangents.

Everything's completely connected in a disgusting, unholy way. Everything is some disgusting lump of religiopoliticaleconomical garbage. Everyone hates everyone else BECAUSE of what happened in the last decade, no one's learning any lesson from it, and we're listening to the same people and same type of people that keep getting us into the same mess. Party lines are drawn and it's all agree with us, or you're not a true X.

What does it have to do with religion? Plenty! Some people vote for certain candidates because they take stands on issues that they have religious beliefs, and certain candidates ONLY take those stands because it suckers people to vote for them. The only unholy, unGodly union here is politics and religion. They drag BOTH each other down. Liberals tend to think all Republicans are religious nuts, Conservatives tend to think all liberals are godless heathens and pornographers. No middle ground. Even with Conservative Atheists, Liberal Christians and the Log Cabin Republicans. The loudest, nastiest voice wins. That said, here are some truths...

Any terrorist can claim any religion. No religion is more special than the other based on the fact that someone's crazy enough to find a way to conveniently warp whatever they want to bend to their agenda, especially if it contradicts everything else in the religious text. Also true? These actions are not common of any religion, nor do they really speak for them.

Certain politicians still play the "hate gays" card to get votes. And a LOT of these people appeal to the Tea Party. The small government people who want the government to protect them from gay people. Michelle Bachman has been AGAINST the anti-bullying legislation, AND makes a profit off of the dangerous anti-gay reprogramming/reeducation centers... that take Medicare. So basically, 2 wrongs are taking place here.

Hatemongering Bookwriting Loud Mouths WANT a culture War. It sells books. They care not about who reads them, how much misinformation goes to people who will take it seriously. They want a reaction. They want to create Fake-thiests who stupidly go around pulling Christmas stuff down so they have more "The Liberals are coming to get you, Barbara" conspiracy theories to.... guess what... sell MORE books. How can we stop these people? Stop buying their books and watching their TV shows.

There is middle ground, but NO ONE wants to get it. Self explanatory.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. And we're ALL afraid of each other apparently.

And a real truth....

Read a whole dang post and not just pull out things that personally tick you off. That invites misunderstanding.

 

[frogboy4]

I do agree that people like Bachman are presently acting rather malicious toward gay people, especially the young ones as you've noted, and that sort of bullying is why this thread was started in the first place. So yeah, that's definitely on topic. And so is this from the Colbert Report. By the way, it wasn't until recently that I discovered that he's a practicing Catholic. That just goes to prove that religious folk should not be painted with such a wide brush.

 

[Drtooth]

I do agree that people like Bachman are presently acting rather malicious toward gay people, especially the young ones as you've noted, and that sort of bullying is why this thread was started in the first place. So yeah, that's definitely on topic. And so is this from the Colbert Report. By the way, it wasn't until recently that I discovered that he's a practicing Catholic. That just goes to prove that religious folk should not be painted with such a wide brush.

So isn't Gaga! And she's been nothing but supportive, even asking to lift the ban on gays in the military, though... frankly with what's going on with our military, you gotta wonder if they just lost a get out of quagmire free card.

What really excites the debate is that, long story short, people in power who claim to be religious break commandments left and right, groups that have a lot of non-religious members call them out for it, and people who support and pay and shill for those in power who do unreligious things call that group out for calling them out.

Personally, I do not see what's Christian about letting poor people suffer, killing innocent people, and cheating, lying, and stealing. And I don't get why people call certain parties Godless, when... let's face it, we never NOT had a Christian president, left or right. And the only time we had something different, it was a different kind of Christian!

As far as leadership is concerned, Christians, Muslims, Republicans, Democrats, Indies... everyone deserves something better. Religious followers deserve better leadership than "Here's who to hate! Now shut up and let me count my money!," Republicans deserve better than Boehner, Bachman and Tea Party politics, Democrats deserve something better than spineless wimps that can't do anything right, and we all deserve something better than Democrats and Republicans. We deserve better news organizations than Fox and CNN, we deserve better news period. I only watch comedy news because they can get us to laugh about bad situations for the RIGHT reasons. Everything's a mess, and everyone needs to wake up to it. No one wants to.

 

[Bannanasketch]

And a real truth....

Read a whole dang post and not just pull out things that personally tick you off. That invites misunderstanding.

I have been reading your posts and all I'm seeing lately is political arguments and you've just been bashing the tea party. Now, some things I can understand your view but I still think this thread is going completely off topic. I do consider myself conservative and tea-partier (or "teabag" as you like to say). But lately I've found myself with different views on things. I'm finding myself hating politics from both sides. All politics is is just two sides trying to bite each others heads off and I'm sick of it. I used to be the guy that would get into political debates all of the time but I'm starting to hate that. I'd rather follow Jesus' example.

You see, Jesus wasn't about politics. He's not a conservative republican or a liberal democrat. He showed Love to all people, he hung out with tax collectors and "sinners." So, I'm just tired of getting involved in politics and I'm tired of religion finding it's way into politics. I'm not about religion. I'm about a relationship with my savior and Lord, Jesus Christ.

 

[Drtooth]

That's all I'm saying.

Though, the tea party is indeed a libertarian group that appealed to the far right. They are a minority, and a lot of Republicans and conservatives are starting to see what the party really stands for and abandoning it.

 

[CensoredAlso]

But lately I've found myself with different views on things. I'm finding myself hating politics from both sides. All politics is is just two sides trying to bite each others heads off and I'm sick of it. I used to be the guy that would get into political debates all of the time but I'm starting to hate that.

I read something recently about how our loyalty to our political parties is becoming more important than our loyalty to the country. Humans seem to have this natural inclination to choose up sides and demonize the other. It's not that different from choosing teams in the school yard. And often just as immature.

TYPING THIS TO THE TOPIC , I might be completely wrong; this is very "what if" but I sometimes think if people were left alone without their little political parties (both of them) talking in their ears, a lot of these contentious issues (gay marriage, abortion, etc) would have made some progress sooner. Not saying the government is useless, but it does often encourage rivalry rather than solutions.

 

[beaker]

The original tea party was started by anti war, pro constitutionalist, anti new world order/9-11 truth/anti federal reserve patriots of the Ron Paul/Alex Jones type. I remember, as I was pretty into that stuff in the mid 2000's as a counter balance to all the left/right firebrand rhetoric at the time. This was 2005/2006/early 2007. I saw pictures from early tea party rallies, where people were demanding an end of the fed, a new 9/11 investigation, an end of imperialist wars, etc. It was a mix of paleoconservatives, patriots, Libertarians and leftists.

THEN as Obama was looking like he was going to win, we saw GOP and right wing thinktanks co-opt the "Tea Party" and completely change it into a Republican mouthpiece co-sponsored by Fox News. That's why most the Tea Partiers are only now anti government, and were pro Bush government loving people before Obama. I've always been against the government, war, wallstreet, and the megabanking cartels.
But this new Tea Party has nothing to do with the original Tea Party from a few years back and instead is being lead by the same tricksters who want to take their pensions.

If you want to trace Christianity being intimately tied to conservative politics, we need look no further than the "moral majority/religious right" that grew out of the 1980's and then took root in the mid 1990's during the Clinton years. It was a strategy by secular GOP strategists to bring in apolitical Christians by creating fake wedge issues to trick them into voting Republican. The Republicans and Democrats do not serve the American people, regardless what one's religion, creed or economic makeup is.

There are people and interest groups out there trying to create a clash of civilizations using Fox, Islamism, the Israeli issue, etc and trying to stir up everyone. The documentary "The World According to Sesame Street" shows this in extreme brutal reality(especially the Albanian Muslims vs Christian Serbs)

Both Conservatives and Liberals have been taken for a ride, and I'm hoping people wake up before all the money is gone and people are left wondering what happened to this once prosperous country. I only say this, as look at Iceland, Greece and other European nations falling apart.