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Innocent Joy vs the Herd Mentality

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So…it’s 7.15 am, I’ve been up all night, I’m sitting up in bed with my laptop perched above the blankets and my glasses perched atop my nose and squinting because I already took some valerian to try and sleep…but these thoughts keep running around in my head, and perhaps if I commit them to text for posting later today they’ll leave me alone long enough to submit to slumber…

Here’s the thing. I slacked off tonight, did no writing, and instead amused myself with other things, notably watching “Follow That Bird!” Wow, that brought back some memories for an old-school ’Street fan. I was delighted with the whole thing, and laughed my skinny yellow butt off several times, right up through the Count’s wonderful commentary on the end credits. :batty: And then I sat there, realizing I’d just further cemented my nerd status. And then I started wondering why. Why is it, despite the avowed fanship of millions globally, that we who proudly proclaim ourselves to love the Muppets (or, in my case, to still love them these many years later) are given odd looks, are snickered at, are immediately dubbed uncool by the majority, it seems, of unimaginiative herd beasts who think they run the world? I know ilovemusic and others have complained on this forum how they’ve been socially discriminated against by their peers simply for loving the simple joy of a clever group of puppets.

Why?

What exactly is it about people that causes this divide? I know of people who watched, for instance, ‘Sesame Street’ as children but would rather have root surgery than admit they still like Muppets…because they fear negative peer-branding. And there are others who never even saw the appeal. There are plenty of people here, I’ve noticed, who are worldly and appreciate a more sophisticated – or even a more jaded – point of view, who have no problem saying “I adore Muppets!” So, I don’t think a generalization such as “people outgrow innocent pleasures” is sufficient. Are the majority of humans completely unimaginative, and unable to see the value in an artistic, and yes, relatively innocent phenomenon? Or are they so sucked-into the culture of posturing and status that they’re afraid to admit to liking it? Do they have dust in their skulls, or are they herd animals? :confused:

I know, I know, at my age I should have figured this all out already. Being around you folks has done something to me and for me, though: as a kid – well, really, my entire life, with few exceptions – I’ve always been the outcast, the nerd, the weirdo, the wimp…you name the invective, I’ve had it hurled at me. Years ago I got past the hurt and the bitterness, but I also became very cynical. If you’d asked me this same question I’m asking you just a few months ago, my reply would have been Who cares?

Well, suddenly I care again, and am able to ask why without huddling in the corner afraid of the answer. Thank you all for that. : >)

Yes, I know. This is a rambling post. I tell stories better than I report them, and I can hear the critics now:

Statler: Hey, Newsie! I’ve just figured out your style!

Me: My…my style?

Statler: Yeah! You write like Rick Moranis!

Me: (total confusion) Rick Moranis doesn’t write, or report the news!

Statler: Exactly! (with Waldorf) Oh, ho ho ho ho!


So, a piece of story: one semester during my strange college career, I lived in a genuine bunaglow house off-campus with two guys whom I had nothing in common with, but mostly we got along decently. They’d painted the whole interior bright turquoise and loud pink (I have no idea why, but darn, that place was CHEERFUL), and instead of a dining table in the large dining room, they’d put in an enormous billiards table. I’m no shark (that would be my brother – do not play him for money, ever), but I can hold my own on average, and if I’m not really competing, there’s something immensely soothing about the game to me. The soft clack of the balls, the feel of the felt, the mental zone you can enter while your intuitive brain is feeling the angles rather than computing them, the non-strenuous physicality of it, all tend to predispose me to serious thoughts. I had a good friend then, exactly five years my senior (we share the same birthday), who was getting a Master’s in psychology, and he and I would share a bottle of wine and spend hours, day after day, playing pool and talking, and those sessions were as close as this mistrustful misfit will ever come to psychoanalysis.

I have no idea where that friend is now…however. Here, there are new friends, and intelligent, creative, and sometimes also-outcast folk who might be able to figure this out with me. Why do we, as a culture, seem to value the loss, the total abandonment, of innocence and the love of what others deem “childish interests”? Why are those of us who hold to (or renew) the certainly-not-exclusively-Muppet values of art, and friendship, and truth and loyalty regarded as something lesser? Why do many out there seem to think you can’t love Muppets and still be “cool”? Why don’t more people who do fondly recall watching them speak up? Are we really outnumbered by the mundanes who think reality shows, celebrity gossip, the newest FPS videogames and repetitive biggest-fad-this-hour pop stars are the height of “cool”… or are too many humans just behaving like frightened sheep?

Here’s my new pool table. Well, okay, it isn’t new; but the felt is newly laid down, it has real slate underneath, the balls are antique and a bit faded and have a nice weight to them, and although it’s regulation size, I’ve cut down the legs so any Muppet can reach the table. There are plenty of beverages-of-your-choice in the kitchen (cold or warm). I have chalk and a bridge and extra cues…and I’ll even let you have the first break.

*Newsie holds out a cue*

Um, I’ll rack. Anyone?


 

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Are the majority of humans completely unimaginative, and unable to see the value in an artistic, and yes, relatively innocent phenomenon?
Frankly...yes. Lol.


Or are they so sucked-into the culture of posturing and status that they’re afraid to admit to liking it? Do they have dust in their skulls, or are they herd animals?
Well, I think this is closer to the reality. You see this even in early history. Everybody's in pain and many people find security in the group, blending into the crowd.

It's a lot harder and scarier being an individual. That's why most people don't do it. So you're away ahead of the crowd. :wink:
 

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So...why doesn't the crowd accept idealism? Hey, I'm a cynic with the best of 'em, but even still, I can embrace the desire to change things for the better, and any interest (such as Muppets) which promotes such idealism without seeing them as mututally exclusive viewpoints! Plan for the worst, hope for the best, right?

WHY are the masses so blind, is what I'd most like to know. I've met too many intelligent, creative people to believe that it's all genetic. Is it a cultural thing? Does the US educational and cultural system, as a whole, stomp on the imaginative? And if so WHY?

sigh....
 

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Does the US educational ... system, as a whole, stomp on the imaginative? And if so WHY?
Yes. The whole point of the U.S. educational system is maintenance of the status quo. Too much thinking would upset that.
 

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So...why doesn't the crowd accept idealism?
Some would argue they do. Except that often it's an idealism that tries to ignore problems rather than face them and fix them.

WHY are the masses so blind, is what I'd most like to know. I've met too many intelligent, creative people to believe that it's all genetic. Is it a cultural thing?
I do think it's somewhat genetic. At least, I think it's a form of survival mentality. Safety and comfort within the group.

Does the US educational and cultural system, as a whole, stomp on the imaginative? And if so WHY?
There are examples much worse than the U.S. (China for example). Bottom line, it's easier to control the masses by treating everyone the same rather than take the time for individuals.
 

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WHY are the masses so blind, is what I'd most like to know. I've met too many intelligent, creative people to believe that it's all genetic. Is it a cultural thing? Does the US educational and cultural system, as a whole, stomp on the imaginative? And if so WHY?

sigh....
It's just our culture. We pretend to care about creative people, every single movie has a believe in yourself and you can do whatever you want message, and then they stomp you to the ground if you WANT to do something creative. You just have to find different means to be creative, and those means are quickly filling up with people who want to be creative too... so basically, it's so mainstream to be creative that no one's creative anymore, and we STILL can't find a good audience. half of us get buried under the other half.

I just hate when Hollow-wood pretends it's a haven for creative people and there are more broken dreams than stars in the sky. You have to be positive, sure, but when no one wants to help you get an audience, positivity starts to shrink.

As for the same "people don't like puppets" bit, i can't help you. They're bigger than ever for nostalgic factor, more big names are coming out and saying how much they love them, but there's always people that just hate child-like wonder, and rather go for childish stunts. I see no appeal in a certain unpostable MTV show from years back, nor do I see any appeal in beat up people/dogs/bums/girls/whoever we want vids on YT. I see no appeal, ironic or serious in Jersey Whores. If someone's too grown up for anything and only goes for highly sophisticated fair, I can't complain... but if they go for garbage, it's something that I don't care for.
 

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All I have to say is this...

From my own experiences with people in general, I think that honestly, just about everyone in the world actually does love puppets, whether they want to admit it or not.

Period.
 

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All I have to say is this...

From my own experiences with people in general, I think that honestly, just about everyone in the world actually does love puppets, whether they want to admit it or not.

Period.
I'd like to believe that. More to the point, I'd like to believe people in general just need a little coaxing to make room for more innocent joy in their lives -- and by innocent I don't necessarily mean G-rated, just the ability to enjoy things which aren't hurtful to anyone else. Drtooth, you have a very good point there about people loading up on garbage and calling it "grown-up entertainment" when in actuality it's the worst sort of junior-high-humor BS.

anytimepally, although I have to agree with you (the evidence surely supports it) on the education system being geared to the maintenance of the status quo, I still have to wonder WHY people seem to think the status quo is a GOOD thing? :eek:
Makes NO sense to me. I get the feeling people are trained to be blind; certainly by the junior-high years in this city, based on what I used to see just in my daily life/work, most of them seem to be so turned inward to their own whims and mass-produced "needs" that they don't even see that change needs to be made. It doesn't even seem like a disillusionment as much as a total obliviousness to the situation!

I agree with all you guys have said, but I'm still baffled. Is it a lack of good education? Is it corporations crushing anything which might threaten their profits, now or in the future? I don't think there's a grand conspiracy here, but it does make me wonder about the motives of people in Congress who slash education and free speech. Those are the moves of a totalitarian regime...and yet they cloak themselves in patriotic words.

What, if anything, does anyone think can be done to reverse this?
 

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I still have to wonder WHY people seem to think the status quo is a GOOD thing? Most of them seem to be so turned inward to their own whims and mass-produced "needs" that they don't even see that change needs to be made. It doesn't even seem like a disillusionment as much as a total obliviousness to the situation!
I've found that people tend to think they're rebellious and independent, not realizing just how sheep-like they are. When they see real independent people, it freaks them out. A lot of it jis ust not being able to see ourselves as we really are.
 

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people are forced to grow up too fast. The media makes people who still have some child like joy look like idiots who should be ridiculed. that said, people want acceptance so they just jump on the bandwagaon and train themselves to like what is in and convince themselves they are too old for something.

I haed a friend who I tried to get to watch the muppets. She was so convinced she was too old for puppets she never really gave it a chance. It was as if she was watching it physically but not paying any attention to it. She ended up falling alseep and not remembering anything she did watch.

but the same thing can be said for any media (music) that is "in." Obviously this is not the case for everyone but I have noticed that the people who like current pop and rap are very closed minded when it comes to other music and will just not give it the chance. (There is a difference between really not liking something and outright refusing to listen to something you never heard)
 
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