Theories why Bear came to an end

[KirbTreelo05]

I can't find anything official saying every single show that'll be on there, but some users have created a pretty reliable list on Wikipedia of shows that will appear as of now:

Playhouse Disney Series

Mickey Mouse Clubhouse
Chuggington
Imagination Movers
Jungle Junction
Handy Manny
Little Einsteins
Special Agent Oso
Charlie and Lola
Timmy Time

Short Series

Mickey Mousekersize
Special Agent Oso: Three Healthy Steps
A Poem Is...
Tasty Time With ZeFronk
Can You Teach My Alligator Manners?
Choo-Choo Soul
Happy Monster Band
Where Is Warehouse Mouse?
Shanna's Show
Lou and Lou: Safety Patrol

New Shows

Jake and the Never Land Pirates
Doc McStuffins
Tinga Tinga Tales
Babar and the Adventures of Badou

101 Dalmatians: The Series probably isn't listed because of the uncertainly. It should be true though, they made a logo with Lucky's ears on the "i"

 

[beaker]

I don't have cable or know what many of those shows are...just wanted to say, from the episodes I've seen online, Chuggington is glorious. I don't know what it is about it; but feels magical to me.

When it comes to children's programming, I often lament with Drtooth about how the golden age was the 80's(Muppet Babies, Fraggle Rock, Reading Rainbow, Duck Tales, Garfield and Friends, New Adv of Pooh, etc...heck I even love the animated Fraggle Rock)

But I do find good quality kid's shows that don't placate or dumb things down. Even the real simplistic slice of life stuff I enjoy. I don't know why, but Martha always seems enjoyable.

 

[Drtooth]

I can't find anything official saying every single show that'll be on there, but some users have created a pretty reliable list on Wikipedia of shows that will appear as of now:

Playhouse Disney Series

Mickey Mouse Clubhouse
Chuggington
Imagination Movers
Jungle Junction
Handy Manny
Little Einsteins
Special Agent Oso
Charlie and Lola
Timmy Time

Short Series

Mickey Mousekersize
Special Agent Oso: Three Healthy Steps
A Poem Is...
Tasty Time With ZeFronk
Can You Teach My Alligator Manners?
Choo-Choo Soul
Happy Monster Band
Where Is Warehouse Mouse?
Shanna's Show
Lou and Lou: Safety Patrol

New Shows

Jake and the Never Land Pirates
Doc McStuffins
Tinga Tinga Tales
Babar and the Adventures of Badou

101 Dalmatians: The Series probably isn't listed because of the uncertainly. It should be true though, they made a logo with Lucky's ears on the "i"

Really? REALLY? They're going to replace an entire channel and start over with shows they show anyway on their regular channel for 24 hrs? Really, I think Disney has come a long way since the dark days of Hanna Montana and NOTHING ELSE, but this is just disappointing. No older programs, and basically the stuff they show anyway with 2 other shows.

Really, it completely confuses me that they had a clear and obvious chance to make a classic Disney channel with old movies and TV shows and basically throw it all away for a cheap kiddy TV cash grab.

When it comes to children's programming, I often lament with Drtooth about how the golden age was the 80's(Muppet Babies, Fraggle Rock, Reading Rainbow, Duck Tales, Garfield and Friends, New Adv of Pooh, etc...heck I even love the animated Fraggle Rock)

But I do find good quality kid's shows that don't placate or dumb things down. Even the real simplistic slice of life stuff I enjoy. I don't know why, but Martha always seems enjoyable.

Well, it depends. If it's preschool shows, there was clearly that annoying movement that started with a certain purple spongesuit dinosaur and I don't wanna go into that mess again. But then again, we lost MOST of the horrid shows of that era, like Telewhatevers and all those cheap Barney knockoffs. Ewww... Remember those.

As for Saturday morning 7-12 year old programming, that's an unfortunate mix of greedy network heads, idiotic FCC regulations, and loudmouth self serving parental groups. More channels are owned by less and less companies, the TV E/I regulation is basically lipservice, and due to parental groups whining about junk food and doing nothing constructive about it, you can't profit off of advertising to make a series. So, instead we get infomercials for diet drugs that kill, poorly crafted exercise machines, quick fix secrets for making money "they" don't want you to know about, get rich quick schemes involving the stock market, and various other things much more harmful to adults than a candy bar is for kids. So basically, stupidity, greed, and hypocrisy killed Saturday Mornings.

 

[TSSD]

Guys, I just want to point out that the 24 hr channel is a year away. That list is for the rebranding of Playhouse Disney to Disney Jr.

 

[KirbTreelo05]

Really? Oh... I've been misreading the articles

Then that means there's more time! But I can't wait that long...D:

 

[beaker]

Dr Tooth: saturday morning cartoon routines and culture died a long time ago. Sure CW Kids kept it going with the 4Kids stuff, but it's dead. I primarily count free channel kids cartoons, but given you now have to have a converter box(which often doesnt half work)...people like me who refuse to pay for cable mostly use the internet(hulu, pirate bay/torrents, youtube) to watch tv

You seem very upset about all the changes in programming over the years; yet this has been a long time coming...and it just means hopefully more alternatives like The Hub will sprout up and attract fans.

Trust me, I wish I could bring back the 1980's, but it ain't gonna happen

 

[Drtooth]

Dr Tooth: saturday morning cartoon routines and culture died a long time ago. Sure CW Kids kept it going with the 4Kids stuff, but it's dead. I primarily count free channel kids cartoons, but given you now have to have a converter box(which often doesnt half work)...people like me who refuse to pay for cable mostly use the internet(hulu, pirate bay/torrents, youtube) to watch tv

You seem very upset about all the changes in programming over the years; yet this has been a long time coming...and it just means hopefully more alternatives like The Hub will sprout up and attract fans.

Trust me, I wish I could bring back the 1980's, but it ain't gonna happen

80's? Heck. I would be happy if we could go back to the early 00's when things were still reasonable. I seriously hate the idiots that run the CW... getting rid of Reaper for one, and killing their own profitable cartoon line up and putting an early axe to Spectacular Spider-Man for another. Yeah, I'm thankful 4Kids is doing what they can... would it maybe kill them to run one lousy episode of Ultimate Muscle instead of one out of 70 episodes of Sonic X?

I know it's a long time coming, but it really crashed in the 2005-2009 era. I remember the 90's when there was at least 4 providers. Now you need cable, and there's only like 5 shows out there worth watching... Yeah, I get it that TV's obsolete and the TV people are thumble thumbs on the whole deal... but that's no excuse for stations to let infomercials carry their saggy sullen behinds. The FCC regulations that killed Saturday Morning were ridiculous, and now TV EI is just lipservice to keep their licenses. I cannot afford cable at all, and the only cartoons I ever get to see are on PBS, Fox Sunday, or the internet where they're pulled down by companies that don't even care about them and never release them.

 

[beaker]

80's? Heck. I would be happy if we could go back to the early 00's when things were still reasonable. I seriously hate the idiots that run the CW... getting rid of Reaper for one, and killing their own profitable cartoon line up and putting an early axe to Spectacular Spider-Man for another. Yeah, I'm thankful 4Kids is doing what they can... would it maybe kill them to run one lousy episode of Ultimate Muscle instead of one out of 70 episodes of Sonic X?

I know it's a long time coming, but it really crashed in the 2005-2009 era. I remember the 90's when there was at least 4 providers. Now you need cable, and there's only like 5 shows out there worth watching... Yeah, I get it that TV's obsolete and the TV people are thumble thumbs on the whole deal... but that's no excuse for stations to let infomercials carry their saggy sullen behinds. The FCC regulations that killed Saturday Morning were ridiculous, and now TV EI is just lipservice to keep their licenses. I cannot afford cable at all, and the only cartoons I ever get to see are on PBS, Fox Sunday, or the internet where they're pulled down by companies that don't even care about them and never release them.

You just have to adapt, lest you can invent a time machine or make your own cartoons. I just put all the episodes of Young Justice, Generation Rex, TF Prime and GI Joe Renegades in HD on dvdrs to watch at my leisure. All look amazing, no commercials, etc. There is no free tv anymore really. I could care less what is shown on tv or cable, as I havent watched tv in general since the late 1990's.

But the golden age you are talking about is 1994-1995 or there abouts. When a kid could wake up early sat morning, flip on ABC, NBC, CBS or Fox and do the saturday ritual. I get it. But times change.

I feel bad for kids...every kids film is clogged with bad cgi, all video games for kids is all cgi, and a lot of cable cartoons(and Im sorry, including ones you like) these days have that flash look.
Tho at least for us older folks, we can download virtually every show, cartoon, video game, etc we remember from our youth to enjoy at our leisure. I get the sense you rely too much on what companies do or don't do, and don't seem to realize that times change. I used to tether my happiness to a lot of pop culture entertainment; and indeed reliable creature comforts we get used to our nice...hence why we fix emotional attachments and memories to certain objects, foods, experiences, etc. But we must adapt.

Hey cool thing tho, most movies at theaters near me are back to $5 depending on the day or time where I live. And everywhere I go theres muppet, sonic, mario and other shirts.

 

[Drtooth]

Yeah, but then what? I know things change and everything, but it IS mainly because of said groups and regulations.

The problem with "make your own" is that EVERYONE is doing make your own, and only a handful of them are good. Most of them are just dirrivative of one show they currently like, and there's an awful lot of wasted talent doing furry porn.

But I at least want to see the people who made it make something. I'm thinking of doing something else... I'm considering something I don't wanna talk about as an if all else fails.

I actually quite dislike watching cartoons on the internet. It's unreliable, companies that refuse to sell the stuff on DVD get furious and take the stuff down, Everything "pirated" takes too long to download at ANY speed just for you to find out it's terrible quality if the file works at all (I had a LOT of problems with avi files in the past... half the time I just get the sound file). Most of the best animes I have to check out are raw, or even in another language I don't understand (I've seen a bunch in Italian) And above all, as much as I like watching the same old thing, I want something new DESPERATELY.

It is also part of the instant gratification culture. Parents buy their kids love with every new gadget, kids grow up so fast they don't HAVE a childhood, they hole themselves in their rooms and play Halo at all hours, and NO ONE is watching TV anymore.

As a result, less cartoons are being made, less potential animators, less work, and all we can do is make a crappy flash cartoon for the internet that people may or may not watch. And I have yet to see something worthwhile on the internet besides Homestarrunner. And I know as soon as I get some self published black and white comic out there, there's gonna another indie comics crash.

It sucks. And all because people have dumb gadgets I can't even afford and enjoy myself. Seriously, if people put that crap down for five bloody seconds and watch something when it's broadcast instead of pirating it, maybe they won't have to whine about it getting canceled so soon.

It's not that I refuse to adapt, but adapting DOES suck. You get your choice of stuff you already seen and stuff that you can't even get attached to. And this is BEFORE the major conglomerates get to control the internet, making it just as lousy as the same TV stations they ruined.

 

[beaker]

I think the problem people have with tv now, especially the young, is that it's a passive entertainment. It's not interactive. Sure movies are too, but it feels like youre in on a journey.

Yes, having everything all rolled into one is a bit dizzyingand I'm a bit too poor to afford it all...but companies want to project the idea of 55" LED 3d 1080p flat tvs in every room, where you can surf/netflix/stream/blu ray/watch a zillion channels/etc all synced and accessable in an instant.

Everything is being hybrid, amalgamated, etc.

I'd say around the turn of the millennium I got really sick of watching tv. I may catch the world news every now and then, or enjoy the ritual of watching an "as it airs, commercials and all" airing of the Simpsons...but I just don't like to be tethered to a tv schedule. Also the commercials...you probably have no idea how many commercials youve been subjected to and subliminally brainwashed by A decade of pretty much tv free living has been good, that and I just dont see the point in paying for tv.

Ive never heard any non corporate person complain that noone is watching tv. I will say I am a bit alarmed by all the instant text/tweet/facebook/etc stuff, as youth are getting more compartmentalized, fidgety and ADHD as newer studies have shown.

Also, you on dialup? You can pretty much snag whole seasons of whatever in an hour or two. I still buy boxsets here and there as a collector, but alot of stuff hasnt been made commerically available in the US

You want something new? Shoot, there's a wealth of stuff I guarantee you havent seen and would love out there