Your Thoughts: Muppets Letters to Santa

[RedPiggy]

Wait, wouldn't the script and then the set building take more than a few months? Man I'd be tickled pink if Muppet writers got ideas from me or anyone of us.

Well, in The Comeback King that I wrote, I had Rowlf make a snide comment on skateboarding during a flashback with Skeeter. And then lo and behold he has trouble skateboarding on youtube. I've also seen another moment that caught my attention, but for the life of me I can't think of it.

There was supposed to be some human interest to this special and that was it.

I could have forgiven their uselessness had the kid not lived there. I still have trouble wrapping my head around griping that your friends are going away for the holidays when you LIVE with the Muppets. A lot of us would sell family members and body parts to get to say that. LOL....

We learned that we live in an era where noone is going to whisper as to why a child is black but the mom is white. Because, then you'd have to answer to the President.

Yay for progress ...

We learned that we as a nation have moved on to a point, where we can have a bearded muppet blow stuff up in New York City and noone will call the censors.

Ah, now I remember ... a Crazy Harry Homeland security joke. Anyway, yeah.

We learned that the daredevil Gonzo has been put to pasture permanently.

And yet he was willing to ride on a plane's wing and go all the way to the North Pole on the off-chance that Santa was actually there. He may not be blowing himself up anymore, but he IS still daring to think differently.

We learned that it doesn't matter if you're a chicken, bear, or whatzamacallit...everyone is under suspicion of being a terrorism under Homeland Security.

And yet, no humans were being interrogated, just harmless sentient animals.

We learned that flight attendants will endanger the lives of customers by putting them in such a dangerous hazard.

But she did it with a smile. Customer service is getting better.

 

[Davina]

as for the mom/daughter difference.. a, she looked more hispanic then black to me..
and B (big B..) we never saw daddy, so who knows and anyway, in this day and age where there is a fair bit of adoption across "racial" lines, it's not uncommon at all to see families where everyone is a different skin tone.. so that bit didn't bother me at all

 

[Redsonga]

I thought that she might have been adopted, which is really just spiffy

 

[beaker]

as for the mom/daughter difference.. a, she looked more hispanic then black to me..
and B (big B..) we never saw daddy, so who knows and anyway, in this day and age where there is a fair bit of adoption across "racial" lines, it's not uncommon at all to see families where everyone is a different skin tone.. so that bit didn't bother me at all

At this point in human history, if someone is bothered by race they really wouldn't even be a muppet fan. I mean shoot, our President is bi-racial from a black father and white mom. In the story I'm sure the father was black, but adoption is also a great thing to celebrate.

To me it's like the gay thing. So many people were upset they had a gay character in Very Muppet Christmas Movie, but it's like come on...the Muppets are over the top broadway musical personalities and quite colorful, they are about as gay as it gets.

The problem here with the special really comes down to a distinct truncated feeling. Some would say that the 45 minute time means it will allow for more repeat airings, but I just strongly feel this had much more of a "movie" feel to it than just a mere 45 minute special.

I was horrified by how lame the Elmo Christmas special was last year, but I also realize not every Muppet production can be as magical as Muppet Family Christmas(no true Muppet, Sesame or Fraggle fan should be without a copy!)

 

[Redsonga]

To me it's like the gay thing. So many people were upset they had a gay character in Very Muppet Christmas Movie, but it's like come on...the Muppets are over the top broadway musical personalities and quite colorful, they are about as gay as it gets.

I didn't even notice..I guess it doesn't even matter to me really...
Anyway, I'm not one to label anyone anything (good or bad) just by the fact that they love musicals and color, least of all the muppets collectively *lol*...I think the muppets live in a world that is past labels and just about pure love and heart for everybody, with no labels (besides Gonzos' 'whatever', but it seems like humans had a hand in that and he just got use to it. But that sort of always got to me..Why did he have to be anything? Wasn't being himself enough? Why does one have to be labeled to be a real 'person' to some people? Hmm *very old rant*)..and lava lamps and goovy soda tab necklaces..and hugging trees and saving the whales and polar bears *rambles*...

At this point in human history, if someone is bothered by race they really wouldn't even be a muppet fan. I mean shoot, our President is bi-racial from a black father and white mom. In the story I'm sure the father was black, but adoption is also a great thing to celebrate.

Adoption seems to be getting more common or easier or something..so it was the first thing I thought of...

 

[dwayne1115]

At this point in human history, if someone is bothered by race they really wouldn't even be a muppet fan. I mean shoot, our President is bi-racial from a black father and white mom. In the story I'm sure the father was black, but adoption is also a great thing to celebrate.

To me it's like the gay thing. So many people were upset they had a gay character in Very Muppet Christmas Movie, but it's like come on...the Muppets are over the top broadway musical personalities and quite colorful, they are about as gay as it gets.

The problem here with the special really comes down to a distinct truncated feeling. Some would say that the 45 minute time means it will allow for more repeat airings, but I just strongly feel this had much more of a "movie" feel to it than just a mere 45 minute special.

I was horrified by how lame the Elmo Christmas special was last year, but I also realize not every Muppet production can be as magical as Muppet Family Christmas(no true Muppet, Sesame or Fraggle fan should be without a copy!)

Who was "Gay" in AVMMXM? Why must the "race" and "Gay" issues always come up here latly? I have very strong beleives on both of them, and regardles of my believes it does not make me any more or less of a Muppet fan. I am getting sick and tired of people looking for some way to kind of push what they believe is right or the way life should be. This is a Muppet forum, and we come on here to talk about the Muppets. Not isseus of is Stanta Clause real, or Why would a white woman have a black child on TV. and it does not matter if your straight or Gay, you can still enjoy the Muppets. It does not even matter if you agree with anyone on any point on any issue. You can still be a Muppet fan, and here is beause Jim beleived that for the most part people where the same. In the inside people still had the same heart and desiers. All people want love in some way, so can we please drop the issues and talk about the Muppets.

 

[Redsonga]

Who was "Gay" in AVMMXM? Why must the "race" and "Gay" issues always come up here latly? I have very strong beleives on both of them, and regardles of my believes it does not make me any more or less of a Muppet fan. I am getting sick and tired of people looking for some way to kind of push what they believe is right or the way life should be. This is a Muppet forum, and we come on here to talk about the Muppets. Not isseus of is Stanta Clause real, or Why would a white woman have a black child on TV. and it does not matter if your straight or Gay, you can still enjoy the Muppets. It does not even matter if you agree with anyone on any point on any issue. You can still be a Muppet fan, and here is beause Jim beleived that for the most part people where the same. In the inside people still had the same heart and desiers. All people want love in some way, so can we please drop the issues and talk about the Muppets.

As far as my comments go I often don't mean them to turn into debates. Many times I was just going to make a couple comments and drop it, but when any sort of talk gets into the you aren't sane, you have to agree because everyone else does, everyone of our generation thinks _____, you're not a real muppet fan if you think _____, or, you are just a bad person if you think ______ territory I can't help but want to tell in detail why I think the way I do and how I apply that to my love of the muppets to show that I'm not crazy or bad...
I think it might just be human nature (good or bad I can't say) to link muppets to human issues and silly issues alike

 

[CensoredAlso]

Well I do agree that anyone can be a Muppet fan, and differences of opinion shouldn't be some kind of dividing factor. That would be the antithesis of the Muppet message.

I don't mind occasionally discussing these topics in a civil manner.

 

[MWoO]

Who was "Gay" in AVMMXM?

One, is gay a proper noun?

Two, Howard the pig's character is that of a stereotypical gay man.

 

[frogboy4]

Who was "Gay" in AVMMXM? Why must the "race" and "Gay" issues always come up here latly? I have very strong beleives on both of them, and regardles of my believes it does not make me any more or less of a Muppet fan. I am getting sick and tired of people looking for some way to kind of push what they believe is right or the way life should be. This is a Muppet forum, and we come on here to talk about the Muppets. Not isseus of is Stanta Clause real, or Why would a white woman have a black child on TV. and it does not matter if your straight or Gay, you can still enjoy the Muppets. It does not even matter if you agree with anyone on any point on any issue. You can still be a Muppet fan, and here is beause Jim beleived that for the most part people where the same. In the inside people still had the same heart and desiers. All people want love in some way, so can we please drop the issues and talk about the Muppets.

Hey...cooler heads, man. It's Christmas. Please.

The gay stereotype character in VMX was Howard the pig. I wasn't offended, but it's an obvious Mel Brooks style movie send-up. The character appeared to be an early model of the one later featured in the Tinseltown pilot. This is a well-known item around the forum, that you must have overlooked.

No one is doing anything to push anything but tolerance as stated in the Muppet Central forum guidelines. Straight white male American complaining about minority guilt is completely absurd. Let's get back to topic (and forum member Beaker's post was on topic). There's room enough for *all!* Why must you always complain when things take a turn to the gay spectrum with the Muppets? They've always been cheeky. I don't take issues with the inclusions of religious references in Muppet items. Why should I? Perspective and respect should run -- both ways.

It's the holidays for frog's sake!