Did Jareth change Toby's diaper?

[BeakerSqueedom]

*Hugs Red tightly*

 

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I just hate the whole 'leave your imagination behind if you want to be truly grown up you must be jaded and there is no happy ever after' feeling the movie left me with Sarah...

Actually I always thought the ending of the movie was very optimistic. Sarah wasn't just having an imagination, she was avoiding life. Instead of being an older sister to Toby, she was jealously guarding her old play things. Instead of socializing with people, she was hanging out by herself obsessed with the stories she loved. There's nothing wrong with loving stories, but they should inspire you to live your life, not hide from it.

In the end, Sarah realizes she has to live in the real world and grow up (for instance excepting that life isn't always fair). And it's not all bad, sometimes it means caring for another human being who needs her and is real, like Toby. But she's also reassured at the last minute that if she wants her fantasy to come back "every now and again", it will be there for her. As someone who often struggles between love of fantasy and the real world, I found it very comforting.

And I'm sorry, I love watching and adoring Jareth as much as the next person...but from a distance, hehe. I wouldn't want to be with someone who says "love me, do as I say."

 

[Redsonga]

The thing is for some people being alone and living half or sometimes all the way in a fantasy world is life, and a good one, and we make a living off of that which only we can see.

Plus some of us are just not social, and rather than just taking everyone else's idea of 'life isn't fair, deal with it' and ' if you were 'normal' you would love hanging out with other people' we change the world around us to make it more fair, and try to make others see the light about why we think the way we do.

Really, I think Sarah gave up far too much of herself in the name of being 'grown up', sure you have to be careful and caring with a little baby, but just because you are older does not mean you must be some stereotype 'grown up sister' who gives everything to your brother because you're 'too big for it now', and you only visit the dusty drawer of your childhood once ever five years if no one is looking .

Sorry about the rant but I've always felt very strongly about this issue...

But then I have a temper, am an only child, never had to share anything (but now share my toy collection with my friends babies and take them back home at night), and live in my fantasy world as a writer and hope to be published someday

Maybe Jareth should have kidnapped me. Me thinks we have a lot in common ^.^

"love me, do as I say."

Actually, I've always seen that is going both ways, if she loves him than she would be doing as he says but he will also be her slave so he will do whatever she wishes in return. It actually sounds very good to me, thank you very much! :3
Much more romanic than a forced kiss IMHO ...
Ack, the many boyfriends... the drool..*dies*

 

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Sorry about the rant but I've always felt very strongly about this issue...

But then I have a temper, am an only child, never had to share anything (but now share my toy collection with my friends babies and take them back home at night), and live in my fantasy world as a writer and hope to be published someday

Believe me, I understand. I'm also an only child and have a temper, lol. And most of the time I enjoy the fantasy side of things and want to make a career of it. But it doesn't make me happy forever by itself. And at the end of the day, if I focus on it too much (without actually creating I mean), I've contributed nothing to the world and the people in it. The real world is less glamorous and harder to live in, but it takes more guts to do so. But again, I struggle with it all the time.

Actually, I've always seen that is going both ways, if she loves him than she would be doing as he says but he will also be her slave so he will do whatever she wishes in return. It actually sounds very good to me, than you very much! :3

Well, you're entitled, hehe. To me it just reminds me of the "love, honor and obey" line. It's focused on the wife and not the husband. I will never say that line at my wedding.

I think I prefer Hoggle now that I think of it, he's like the unpopular slightly less attractive, but ten times smarter and moral boy who likes Sarah too, but will never get the appreciation he deserves.

Plus, I don't think they're saying "the world isn't fair, deal with it, end of story." They're saying don't complain so much about it. Find a way to work around it.

 

[Redsonga]

Believe me, I understand. I'm also an only child and have a temper, lol. And most of the time I enjoy the fantasy side of things. But they don't make me happy forever. And at the end of the day, if I focus on it too much, I've contributed nothing to the world.

Whose to say that we add nothing to the world by living in the magic side of life? Who is to say that a single smile we give someone as we are walking down the street does not add a millions times more depth and meaning to being alive as six months at a dead end job earning money that will only last a month?
Everything we truly do as ourselves , every little thing we are, effects and contributes to the world when we are alive, we just need eyes to see it .

Wow, my best friend was right, I am a reincarnated hippie

 

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Whose to say that we add nothing to the world by living in the magic side of life? Who is to say that a single smile we give someone as we are walking down the street does not add a millions times more depth and meaning to being alive as six months at a dead end job earning money that will only last a month?
Everything we do every little thing we are effects and contributes to the world when we are alive, we just need eyes to see it .

Well I think we're just arguing semantics then and we're talking about the same thing, hehe. Of course giving someone a smile is important, it makes people's lives better. And being a responsible grown up doesn't have to just mean the dead end job. Another part of it is having someone to care about in life who is real and will love you back.

Another thing, even if you end up at a dead end job, there's always a way to find something positive. Maybe you're there to support someone else who is having a hard time and needs a friend. It's all how we look at it.

Hoggle was smart about the ways of the Labyrinth when Sarah was too naive. Like when he knew fairies were dangerous when she didn't. You can say he's too jaded and living in the "real world" perhaps, but his wisdom was vital to the journey. And in the end, he's inprised to be more positive himself.

 

[Redsonga]

Another part of it is having someone to care about in life who is real and will love you back.

I only have one best friend really, I have never been much of a people person because I grew up alone. I can write to people, but person to person interaction is just not something I am good at and really like at all. I don't think that doesn't make me a responsible grown up, I take care of people when they really need it, but I can do that and live in my head at the same time quite well . I just don't reach outside my bubble much outside of people I have known for years because I am very sensitive and bull headed and innocent and people judge me very badly for it....
But all that aside I really don't think one has to pick between caring for others and living 100% in their head, it can be done, and well. That is why I got so mad at Sarah for not seeing that .

Sorry about the rant, but this whole subject (and the whole movie) actually pushes some very very core what makes me me buttons, which is why I am so stubborn about it . And it's also why I don't watch Laby that often..it just makes me so truly sad...

 

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I don't doubt that you care about people, of course, I hope it didn't seem that way.

But now I'm really into this Hoggle thing, now that I think about it, lol. Jareth is the popular boy in school, dashing and cool, who wouldn't want someone like him? Nevermind he's arrogant and steals little babies, hehe. Hoggle isn't really attractive and has a bad attitude, probably from being rejected all his life. Jareth teases him and makes him think Sarah could never like an ugly nothing like him. Hoggle tries to stand up for himself, despite his fear of Jareth, and says Sarah called him a friend. but Jareth just mockingly throws it back at him.

That's why Hoggle goes along with Jareth's plan, it's not like Sarah would ever like him anyway, so he thinks. He's lost all hope and is too afraid of Jareth. Then when it's all over he feels guilty and realizes he's to blame. Instead of wallowing in self pity though, he goes back to save the day, which took guts. And he's amazed that Sarah still calls him a friend after everything he's done. That's what inspires him to be a more positive and confident person. Really, he's such a great character, and a big accomplishment for the Henson workshop.

 

[Redsonga]

Hoggle always seemed to me like a very old man. Even if he was not ugly I still like Jareth more as a person...I don't know exactly why, Jareth just seems like love would change him more...But maybe I just like a project .

 

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I've learned from experience that boys don't change easily.

Not that I think Jareth is all bad, I get the impression he cares about her, probably for the first time, but doesn't really know how to be with a girl other than ruling over her. Sarah always forgets that "you have no power over me" line because she doesn't realize how important that concept really is either, until the end.

And I don't see Hoggle as a love interest necessarily, but clearly a much better friend.