1. Welcome to the Muppet Central Forum!
    You are viewing our forum as a guest. Join our free community to post topics and start private conversations. Please contact us if you need help with registration or your account login.

  2. "Muppet Guys Talking" Debuts On-line
    Watch the inspiring documentary "Muppet Guys Talking", read fan reactions and let us know your thoughts on the Muppet release of the year.

    Dismiss Notice
  3. Sesame Street Season 48
    Sesame Street's 48th season officially began Saturday November 18 on HBO. After you see the new episodes, post here and let us know your thoughts.

    Dismiss Notice

Who is Lionsgate associated with?

Discussion in 'Classic Sesame Street' started by D'Snowth, Apr 12, 2010.

  1. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I see that a few Classic SST clips have been removed by YouTube, but this time, they said it's because of copyright claims by Lionsgate... so what's their deal? Are they associated with somebody who released these clips on old VHSs, or are they simply being donkeys like Viacom and WB and removing clips for copyright infringement when they don't even own the rights to the content?
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    WHAT? They have NO right NO right at all. They do NOT own a single crumb of SS's library. Not a single second. If this is a gag of some sort, it's not a funny one. SS and WB (as the distributor) and maybe Viacom, since they insist that everything with that ugly little network bug is there's. Lionsgate does NOT OWN Sesame Street clips, there has never been any relationship between the two companies, and these are false copyright claims.

    Sesame Worskshop has thankfully been forgiving when it came to classic clips being posted by outside users. Other than the ones falsely claimed to by by Viacom, who doesn't even give a crap about SW and just wants to kill everything with their logo, there have not been any claims by ANYONE that SS clips are unrightfully theirs.

    I ask any classic clip posters to dispute these claims if they threaten to take them down.

    Has anyone been banned yet?
  3. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    The only one I've heard about being banned recently was NantoVision for posting the Muppet Meeting Films... not sure that's connected, but he did come back.

    But yeah, I'm serious. Just this morning I went to watch Ray Charles' rendition of "Bein' Green" from the 20th anniversary SST special, and there it was "This video contains content from Lionsgate, who has blocked it on copyright grounds." I thought wait a minute, that ain't right... who are these guys claiming they own that content? It almost sounds like all the screwing around Viacom's been doing, that Mike Mozart explained in detail about here recently.
  4. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

  5. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Good, yet confusing news. Is Lionsgate going to do all the old Sesame Street footage now, or is the special owned by the Jim Henson company? Lionsgate is pretty nasty and unforgiving when it comes to stuff they claim ownership of (read "stuff they own DVD rights, ESPECIALLY stuff long out of print"). And if somehow they claim EVERY single clip of every single SS segment they intend to us...or at least that is present on the DVD, we're going to see a LOT of SS stuff blocked.

    SW has been forgiving of this so far. There were many opportunities for them to pull all the Square One, Electric Company, and ESPECIALLY Sesame Street stuff, and they haven't. To have a licensing company claim ownership over the actual company that owns it is crummy enough (videos can be claimed by- and I'm not making this up- third party companies that are actually the distribution company of a sub-license). If they claim any segment that even appeared in the special, we're going to miss a lot of old school stuff.

    I am glad it's coming, don't get me wrong. And if the cheap little fuzzy aging VHS tape YT videos of the special are gone for the real thing, I won't shed a tear. But if this effectively ends fan based SS content (clips SW doesn't put up itself, or can't due to music rights, or complete versions they don't put up themselves), it's gonna be a real shame.
  7. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I'm wondering about my having Big Bird's birthday special posted on YouTube...

    I doubt this one would be released on DVD anytime, and if it was and Lionsgate distributed it, and removed my vids, I'm wondering if I should dispute it, because SW is actually letting me the special posted, so long as they receive the statistics.
  8. Princeton

    Princeton Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure if this makes a difference, but Lionsgate was somehow affiliated with the DVD release of the last season of Fraggle Rock.
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Lionsgate distributes Jim Henson Company products now, from Fraggle Rock (they were distributing for Hit during the release of the 3rd season, I believe) to Jim Henson Hour segments owned by JHC (everything but the Muppet Central Control segments).

    The ownership of this special is confusing. It aired as part of the JHH, and somehow, despite the fact that SW owns all the characters in the special, it seems JHC somehow owns the rights or something to this special. If you look at the spin of the cover art, you can not so clearly see the Jim Henson Company Logo on the side of the spine.

    That said, they could have WAITED for this special to at LEAST be released and on store shelves before they started blocking the videos... but at least it means we're getting a GOOD copy of it.

    I REALLY hope that classic footage ISN'T part of the bonus features. Last thing we need is them claiming ownership for those sketches and pulling stuff down.
  10. BuddyBoy600alt

    BuddyBoy600alt Well-Known Member

    They don't own Sesame Street. They deleted Mr. Hooper's death clip posted by Hoopersghost.
  11. BuddyBoy600alt

    BuddyBoy600alt Well-Known Member

    This is not good

    I have a feeling that Children's Television Workshop is going to file a lawsuit against Lionsgate for false copyright claim. Because they do not own Sesame Street.:mad::boo:
  12. RedPiggy

    RedPiggy Well-Known Member

    Yeah, now all the FR vids they took down clearly state it's Lionsgate's issue. Whatever. No one can possibly mistake fan footage for the real thing (in other words, using puppet replicas or something). Even the best Muppet parodies I've seen can be spotted rather quickly. Lionsgate is really getting on my nerves. Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, Dinosaurs -- other Henson distributors seem to understand that clips can be argued fair use. It's only when you try uploading the entire thing that it gets blocked. I really don't see how showing a song or a clip from FR constitutes blatant infringement. They all pretty much cite where they got the clip.

    From the government's website:
    Mine were parodies. True, "clips" aren't really addressed, but for Heaven's sake, it's not the entire thing.
  13. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    ONLY if they start blocking SW's own official clips the way that EMI Publishing small corner of the world that didn't get the memo blocked the official Bohemian Rhapsody Muppet video. This is what worries me. Any clip that sort of kind of appears in 20 Years and Counting is now going to be falsely claimed by Lioncrate, and we're going to see SS videos get deleted or passive aggressively blocked because 2 seconds of them appeared in a montage in a video. Lionsgate has the right to delete or block FULL episodes or FULL videos of something that's on DVD. Deleting small clips is just... annoying, frustrating, and I don't see how it hurts (or frankly helps) DVD sales.

    Hate to say this, but LG at least has more right to kill your stuff than the full, stuff the DVD didn't get into clips of SS. And even then, I love how these companies whine and moan and pull clips and ban people because they somehow feel it's THEIR fault no one buys DVD's anymore. Now, again... I relent to full episodes... but fan videos? Do you think anyone even gives a crap about the horrible Super Mario World cartoon if it wasn't for Mama Luigi? Would anyone really want full season sets of Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog if there weren't videos of Robotnik SnooPING AS usual? Fan videos... shock and awe... bring interest in properties no one would otherwise care about. Look at Rick Astley. Who would listen to any of that crap, unless it was ironic? Companies wouldn't even know what animes to license if they weren't trying to keep one step ahead of the pirates.

    What I don't see enough of is "Contains Content From" disclaimers. They put an ad next to your video. They get a small portion of the ad revenues. Lion'sgate not even jumping on that option, especially when they DON'T OWN ANY SESAME STREET AT ALL WHATSOEVER save for ONE special, is just the same sort of passive aggressive business practices I've come to hate the internet for. I'm glad they're bringing us this special, but I don't think it's worth it if it kills user generated SS clips, especially since SW themselves had no problem with it before.
  14. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    I like Rick Astley, but then again, I'm a child of the 80s (technically). :smirk:
  15. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Thankfully, it seems like Lionsgate hasn't removed any clips officially uploaded by Henson or Sesame Workshop. Fraggle Rock clips from the official Henson Company Channel are still there. Not too sure how many Sesame Street clips found in the special have been uploaded by the official Sesame Street channel. I know The Word is No (uploaded a week or two ago), Spring is Here (also uploaded recently), Rubber Duckie, and Pinball #7 are all in the special and have been uplaoded by Sesame Workshop. Can't remember if SW uploaded King of 8 or Herry and John-John Count to 20.
  16. BuddyBoy600alt

    BuddyBoy600alt Well-Known Member

    Well, I decided to put all my Sesame Street videos on private. Because I do not want to get suspended from Youtube.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I don't care if you're a child of Rick Astley. His music is mostly enjoyed Ironically. And if it wasn't for that April Fool's joke from 2 years ago (which I swear is only because they mentioned it on Family Guy) he would have been vastly forgotten, except in elevators. And I'm glad he's one of the few people on YT who get the joke and understand that fan videos are the only reason people want to listen to his music.

    I find the "contains content from" option highly underrated. The company gets (if they get anything) a small amount of ad revenues from the video, AND they get to be in the public eye with stuff they're too scared to put on DVD themselves... or stuff that's already on DVD that needs the free publicity. Again, I relent to full episodes, even of rare stuff, even though I do 80% of my cartoon viewing online (not by choice, though as everyone knows by now). But clips and theme songs? That's publicity. And mangling the clips, either respectively or disrespectfully makes things that were mildly popular at best a sensation. More people have seen a "THIS IS SPARTAAAAA" techno-remix than the actual tedious 300 movie.
  18. BuddyBoy600alt

    BuddyBoy600alt Well-Known Member

    And now, look what Lionsgate has banned on Youtube

    I am very dissapointed. Because a few weeks ago, 500Bennu got suspended from Youtube. Because of the Classic Sesame Street clip he/she posted were claimed by Lionsgate Entertainment. I bet CTW is going to sue Lionsgate for $3,Million dollars. :mad::eek::boo:
  19. BuddyBoy600alt

    BuddyBoy600alt Well-Known Member

    Well, We have now lost 500Bennu. His/Her account got suspended.
  20. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    He had much more than two SS episodes on his channel. So it's most likely not that. And why do you still call it CTW? They're Sesame Workshop now. And why would they sue them? They're partnered with them for that release. It's not something to really sue over.

Share This Page