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MC Community: Where is it going?

Discussion in 'Feedback' started by theprawncracker, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    I love this website. I love this forum. I love all of the people here. I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. I just want to speak my mind.

    Lately I've noticed that the "fan community" aspect of MC has gone down the drain. We've gone from being a community to being a bunch of people who argue all the time. I don't really know what the cause of this is, but I think I might have an inkling...

    Not enough moderators work on the site, not enough people are allowed to contribute to the site, and the administrators hardly read or respond to people's questions or quandries.

    I have a few prime examples of this...
    A desperate cry for a lift on posting restrictions.
    A serious plea for that same lift.
    A member ASKING to contribute to the site.
    An innocent plea to not be censored.

    The only moderators that responded to these were The Count and Fozzie Bear. Phil, I understand that you're very busy, but when a thread is posted in the Feedback section of your forum, do you not think you should at least respond to the people's questions?

    ESPECIALLY when it's a question the other moderators can't answer?

    Again, I am NOT trying to cause trouble. You know me, Phil, I wouldn't do that on purpose. I just really want to see MC flourish. I'm merely a concerned citizen of this fan community and I want to help in whatever ways possible.

    My suggestions would be to first and foremost appoint more moderators to the site. May I be the first to recommend Jamie (aka frogboy4) for this position? He has a knowledgable grasp of all things Henson AND all things MC. But the appointments should not stop at Jamie, he's simply my suggestion. If WE can't handle the problems on the forum ourselves, shouldn't we have more esteemed individuals who can?

    Second would be to allow more people to contribute articles and reviews to the main site. MC STILL doesn't have a review of the Muppets' Grammy winning CD "A Green and Red Christmas" OR the "Fraggle Rockin'" set--two extremely awesome recent releases that didn't get a treatment. If more people were allowed to contribute to the site I think it would seem more approachable to casual fans wanting to help out. I, for one, would be thrilled to contribute an article or a review to MC, if ever given the opportunity.

    Third... give people a chance to support MC! Sure, buying some Muppet items from Amazon will send some funds back to the site... but honestly, why not give people a direct way to help fund their home away from home? I had this idea here and it was again ignored by most of the administrative staff. Why NOT have official MC merchandise for people to buy? What harm could it possibly do? I would buy everything the site offered--one, to display my fandom, and two to support my favorite website on the internet!

    I understand that to some I may just seem like a crazy teenager who's only goal on this site is to post fan-fiction and derail the topics of threads and send them on muffining rampages... but I'm a Muppet fan first, a Muppet Central fan second, and a crazy teenager who's goal on this site is to post fan-fiction and derail the topics of threads and send them on muffining rampages last (well... technically I'm a tuna fish last, but let's not get into math).

    Again, I just want to help. That's all I want to do, and I'm pretty sure that's all most of us here want to do too. So c'mon Phil, give us a chance. :smirk:
  2. Oscarfan

    Oscarfan Well-Known Member

    *pounds heart and signs peace* Powerful words man.
  3. TogetherAgain

    TogetherAgain Well-Known Member


    MC is all about the FUN, right? Or at least, MOSTLY about the fun. I do believe that the things Prawnie's suggesting here-- and a little ACKNOWLEDGEMENT from the higher-ups-- (Kev, Ed, you know we love you... But I mean a little higher...) would ultimately help improve the fun-level. It just feels better to post in a place where we know we're heard... It makes us feel more important. Just imagine how many people's self-esteem you could raise!
  4. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    Excellent post, Prawnie.

    It's obvious that those of us who have stuck around really and truly care about the Muppet Central community. It may seem like complaining (to the two people who always have to handle these situations), but I think it's evidence that we want to be active, contributing members to something that we really care about.

    I'm a strong advocate of more mods... Having more that two people handle problem situations eliminates any bias, since they would be handled by different people. It would also be easier to consult other mods and come to a general consensus of what the best idea for the greater good of the forum would be. A stronger team of mods also shows a united front and that there is indeed a TEAM of people who care and want to give back to the forum!

    As for contributions, it's obvious that we have many talented writers on the forum, judging by the dozens of fanfictions. Who better to write reviews than our budding muppet writers? There are a number of people who would be fantastic at this (theprawncracker included, in my humble opinion) and I think it would be fair and good to give a few of them the opportunity to contribute.

    The donating idea... another site I was on gave the forum members incentives for donating money (ie. larger avatars). Maybe if we set up a donation system to help Phil out, we could give a small reward to each person who donates, like a custom member rank. ((Since the topic of custom member ranks has been professionally brought up by numerous people at least 4 times, I think this would be an appropriate reward))

    I hope that you don't think this is a personal thing towards you, Phil. It IS your site, you pay the bills and we're obviously grateful! But you shouldn't have to be relegated to just be the webmaster, and maybe if some of the load was shared, this place could really come alive again.
  5. WhiteRabbit

    WhiteRabbit Well-Known Member

    Ryan, I love you too :)halo:) and I can't even begin to explain how much I agree with you on everything.

    Honestly, I think this has to do with all of the off topic threads like the Kiss-Kiss and What Are You Eating Today posts. While it's nice to be acknowledged, are all of these really that necessary? We'll have heated arguments about the most random, barely important topics while sections of the site such as Classic Muppets will be ignored for crud like, "Oh...I had Cocoa Puffs today." I'm not trying to be mean or anything but I'm just making a point.

    I second that, wholeheartedly. While with more mods, I think the site would be much more balanced, it will also give the limited number of them a break from having to sort out of all of the issues that occur time after time. There will be less pathetic arguments, less drama, and more getting back to the carefree fun and discussions we all joined this site for. Now I haven't even officially been here for a year (although I lurked for quite a while) and it's rather sad how it all seemed to spiral downwards in only a few months. I miss the fun, the laughs, and the escaping from the real world.

    Man, I relate with you so much. XD But again, everything you have written is extremely well stated and it's exactly how I feel. I really hope things can change for the better. XOXO
  6. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    *gasp!* YOU're a tuna fish last TOO? No way!

    But seriously... I'm so glad to see people's possitive responses to this thread--and to see that the posts are intelligent and well thought out. Thank you guys.
  7. WhiteRabbit

    WhiteRabbit Well-Known Member

    Well...a pink salmon named Chuck...but close enough. XPP
  8. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    Anytime, Prawnie... you're not the only one who cares, you know! And if we all band together and show how serious and earnest we are about this, I think it will make a difference.
  9. Winslow Leach

    Winslow Leach Active Member

    Wonderful post, Prawn! I'm behind you all the way, man!

    I certainly don't find any of what you wrote "disrespectful."

    I agree with everything in your post, and the links you posted are perfect examples of important issues that have been ignored, and should properly and satisfactorily be addressed.
  10. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    You know, I didn't want to say anything PUBLICALLY about this, a couple of people already know my feelings about this, but yeah, MC just doesn't have that same sparkle anymore.

    It seems to that most people... well not most people, a few in particular, never really post actual, meaningful posts anymore; but rather, they just reply to every thread they can for the sake of posting SOMETHING (which is usually a simple "Yeah" or "I agree" or "Same here", etc).

    Then there's all these cliques! You got cliques for people who write fanfics, you got cliques for people who do that whole Muppet Dorms thing; MC's too good to have cliques, this isn't middle or high school or anything, this is a COMMUNITY! There are no cliques in a community!

    Then of course, there's the muffin OVERLOAD lately! All of those "I Love" threads suddenly grew more menacing than the real "I Love" mini-series on VH1; then of course, there's the excessive muffining in my retrospective thread, that Count never closed after I had asked him to, and other people began asking him to as well, FINALLY I had to go with the whole "if you can't beat them, join them", so now, the thread's pretty much ruined.

    On the subject of appointing more moderators, if the floor is open for nominations, I nominate Beauregard! If you ask me, he certainly deserves to be a moderator around here, I do believe he would do an excellent job!
  11. TogetherAgain

    TogetherAgain Well-Known Member

    You're welcome, and-- I second that! (Again. What can I say-- I'm Half Prawnie. I'm bound to agree with him at least half the time. :p) So many posts around here lately have felt so empty, with very little (if anything) to say. Now, sure, just about every member is bound to make a relatively pointless post once in a while... But most pointless posts should at least be fun, and I feel like I've seen more pointless... pointlessness, than pointless fun. Just a random observation.

    So Prawnie, if you're part tuna, and I'm half you... Does that make me half-part tuna? Or part-half tuna? Or-- a fish egg? ...Or, since you are also half me... Maybe I'm part fourna?
  12. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Ugh, I know what ya mean. It seems those posts have been going around like the plague lately.

    If you don't mind my saying so, Snowthy m'friend, I think that thread speaks to your five years here even MORE now that it's been muffined. After all, how many years in a row did you win Top Muffiner in the MC Awards? ;)

    Whatever you is, it's confusing.
  13. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    EXACTLY! Prawnmeister, you've hit the nail on the head! Those posts ARE "The Great MC Plague of '08"!
  14. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Too true, too true! Just like we had all of those locusts in '07... *shudders*

    Wait... wrong story. :crazy:

    But seriously... I really don't know what, if anything, can be done about those posts... but I wish something could be.
  15. WhiteRabbit

    WhiteRabbit Well-Known Member

    *striking a match...* ...Nya? :confused:
  16. TogetherAgain

    TogetherAgain Well-Known Member

    Ooh, tempting. <fairly evil> <Ahem> But really... Banning a member for excessive pointless posts, one, is rather extreme, and two, entails far too much gray area as to what is "excessive" and which posts are "pointless." (Like I said earlier, the fun ones should stay. Muffins, anyone?) But to ask for the painfully pointless posts to be deleted would be to put WAY too much of a load on our dear moderators... even if there WERE more of them. So... It really does feel like we don't have much control over the situation. Plague of '08, indeed.

    But speaking of control, it WOULD be nice to feel like we have a little more of a voice around here... I've been a member here a little over three years, maybe closer to three and a half now, and it took MOST of that time to get our Rizzo smilie. :shifty: That wasn't such a bad idea, now was it? So how long do we have to petition to get our punctuation back? To contribute an article? To get a little Muppet Central merchandise? I'd say the majority of our posting community really just wants what's best for the forum. We want to help, make improvements, give suggestions... And if our ideas can't work, please, Phil, could you at least acknowledge those ideas, instead of just ignoring them-- ignoring US-- and hoping we'll lose interest? Because that really is how it feels sometimes...
  17. WhiteRabbit

    WhiteRabbit Well-Known Member

    *grinning wickedly*

    But back on track, you make two excellent points here, homegirl. What really needs to be done is the election of more people to take up positions as mods. That way, more action can be taken and help can be provided for those who need it.

    Btw, I think you, Ry, Beth, Beau and Pepper would all be great mods. =)
  18. MrsPepper

    MrsPepper Active Member

    Great point! The Rizzo in my signature started off as my little way of protesting our lack of him in our smilies. I've never removed it because I had it there for YEARS before we actually got the smilie, so my signature would feel bare without it. And everyone knows how grateful we are to Jamie for making all of our new smilies! But it's sort of sad how it took so many years to be noticed.
  19. wwfpooh

    wwfpooh New Member

    I agree whole-heartedly with everything that's been said.

    Certain posts tend to just be there for the sake of being there and end up being muffined to death as a result.

    As well, the whole "togetherness" aspect of the community seems to have been lost with the advent of all these cliques that've sprung about.

    I mean, sure, Lisa and Ryan are two halves of one mind, but that's something different about them, whereas these certain cliques just unite one set of members and pretty much alienate all others.

    It's to be noted that I too have contributed much muffining and various other types of off-topic discussions, but at the rate all of this is going, the site could practically be dead in everything but name only, and Lord knows no one here wants MC to become a ghostly shell.

    Having said that, nominations are hereby open to any ideas on how to improve the site's quality of life again, beyond of course, what's been previously noted and--as seen by many--agreed upon.

    However, it must be noted that we have a similar thread to this one entitled, "MC's not what it used to be" or something to that effect.

    If it's been muffined, I suggest we petition to merge this thread with it so the merged thread would be on topic once again.

    This way, we wouldn't have two threads regarding pretty much the same subject.
  20. Bill Bubble Guy

    Bill Bubble Guy Active Member

    I must agree with this threads concerns with all my heart. It's tragic to see the community spirit tarnished in so many ways and the bottom line is yes, we do need more active moderators to help control things.

    Let me give one example. I was very saddened and depressed a little while ago over what happened with a thread that a member whose name I won't mention made asking for our opinions as to whether she should stay or go. Now I am not criticizing anybody for what he or she said in that thread so please do not carry on any talk about this incident after my post. But I was heartbroken because I felt that this person really wanted to consider staying deep down but wanted kind words of assurance that she was appreciated and valued by the forum. Maybe she found it hard to relate to us for some reason and I tried for my part to be encouraging to her. But things got terribly out of hand and no moderator ever posted in it to try to calm us down and see if this member could be made to feel happy and welcome. :cry:
    For the record I e-mail her to chat with and she told me she requested to be banned because she didn't want to start any more friction with people here. So that makes me feel a little better.

    But I say we need mods most urgently in such conflicts like that. If another thread becomes argumentative or upsetting, how many other members will be driven away from our community? Please listen to what we say Phil. We must have more control and compassion on these boards. :concern:

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