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Early Reports: Looks like Muppets will be #2 (next to Twilight)

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by dwmckim, Nov 24, 2011.

  1. zoebell

    zoebell Active Member

    that's an interesting point about TV being the place where they shine. i really think that's the truth and always has been. because there they can be themselves and skew more adult-y sometimes, which they have ALWAYS done on tv

    plus, they became stars on TV first, that's the reason the movies were big in the first place. i say bring back the muppet show and make them stars in that venue again- they'll gain their audience with their specific humor that shines best on tv

    but as for the drop, it is very surprising because this is the kind of thing you expect when a movie has horrible word of mouth (like what happened to Watchmen a few years ago). but it didn't, it had an "A" cinemascore and everything. so, therefore to me, the only explanation was the little nugget last week that mentioned the huge majority of the audience being over the age of 25

    what that says is that most of the people who were interested in this movie were adults who already knew and loved the muppets, and saw it opening week. that's not the kind of audience that repeats.

    so i think to really reintroduce them to a genuinely new generation you gotta make them stars on TV again, where they really belong
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Let's put it in perspective here... last week was pretty much a 3-Day weekend vacation day. And we had from Wednesday to Sunday last time as well. This is a considerably slower week, it's only the Canadian and US box office, AND it has 3 kid's movies to contend with (look how sharply Happy Feet fell in its third week, and Arthur Christmas is still doing pretty meh. Hugo, however, seems to have surged a little. Still, it made it's budget back and will probably get a 10 million bonus added onto that. 52 million, give or take, is still higher in 2 weeks than Muppet Christmas Carol did in its entirety. It's only a few million short of MTM and MTI. So far, it's the fifth highest grossing Muppet Movie (and it out-grossed both Sesame Street Movies combined by Friday), and it's only it's second week. It's reaching for 3rd by the end of next week even if they only manage 10 million then.

    And it's still only a national release. It will blow up internationally. And that doesn't count Merchandise and classic DVD sales, which as I'm told is pretty sweet so far. The movie did what it set out to do, and anything after this is raw profits. It's still a strong second, even though it's not quite as high as the busier weekend last week... kids are back in school after all.

    And no movie is a true success UNTIL you count the DVD sales and rentals. That's going to be huge.
  3. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    Even though this will make a good amount of money, I find it absolutely disgraceful it won't be able to surpass the grosses of some of this year's pieces of garbage (Green Lantern, Hop [Tim Hill's cinematic opus :rolleyes:], Gnomeo and Juliet) It's even doubtful it'll pass the 3D re-release of The Lion King. Still great that it's making the money it should be and the Muppets are in fact back, but still...
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Indeed. The sharp drop off to me is unfortunate and strange, given its coming off unanimous praise from critics and fans...but its not enough to appeal to the dumb plebean masses who mostly are into garbage like Transformers(sorry michael bay, but you truly did destroy a beloved franchise), fast in the furious, braindead rom coms and of course Twilight. But hey, its number 2 for a second week in a row.

    Piggy says one is the new two, I say two is the new one!
  5. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    TMTM only made 25 million in the US, so The Muppets has already soared past that. I dont like the whole adjusted gross thing, as its way too speculative. It doesnt take into account matinees, senior discounts, 5 dollar days, wildly differentiating price differences, etc. Most use an "average", but I think it's shifty math as much as I respect boxofficemojo's methods.

    Another issue is the marketing saturation. Back then you only knew of a film via the newspaper, tv or word of mouth. Now theres so much ad penetration into every known facet of our lives, I definitely think that and online reviews play a role.

    Well the Lion King film is considered one of those masterpiece films, so I wouldnt expect it to top that...however, quick rereleases while something is already on the home markets don't tend to make that much of a theatrical splash. Yeah DC cant make a decent superhero movie outside of batman it seems. Well, cept Watchmen I guess.

    Yeah, Hop...my skin crawls everytime I see cgi over live action kid film trailers.
  6. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Funny story. After seeing the movie I had to go to two auditions. I decided to take my Jim Henson: The Works book with me so I'd have something to read. I was waiting for the subway and asked a couple of guys for directions. After they helped me, one of them said, "So, did you see the new Muppet movie?"

    I said, "Um...actually I just did. Funny that you'd asked..."

    And the guy goes, "Well um...your book."

    Duh! I'd forgotten I was holding that, lolol.
  7. Avilos

    Avilos Member

    While this is a older franchise it's a restart. These days sequels tend to make more because of interest build by the memory of the previous film. The next Muppet film will benefit from it. Also this is the rare franchise where there are no stars who are going to be demanding higher paychecks. This will be seen as a luxury to Disney.
  8. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    From what I've observed it's not unusual for movies to take a sharp down turn after their initial release. And I think nowadays it's more normal for people to flock to opening weekend in large numbers (so the next groups will look smaller by comparison). The Bloggers who are trying to spin this negatively are really overreacting.
  9. Avilos

    Avilos Member

    That's true, it may be helped by being out this time of year. Even if there are drops it will likely have a llong run. There are few new releases in the month of January. So November and December movies with good word of mouth tend to have good legs than.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    In perspective, Green Lantern barely made it's budget worldwide even though it DID come in #1 its opening week. It had bad word of mouth, too, being a confusing film with way too much infodump crammed inbetween Ryan Renoylds hot dogging. A second film could only be an improvement.. at least by then we'll have Sinestro instead of some weird thing that was only around in the 80's. Gnomeo and Juliet, unlike the Muppets was the ONLY family movie out there during a winter vacation period. Again, This came out Thanksgiving weekend, and was set to make the bulk of it's BO gross then. The better time would be over Christmas vacation, but it would have been eaten alive by savage CGI Chipmunks. This is a busy shopping weekend, and school IS in session. Given the fact 3 other Kid's movies (Hugo surged to #3) opened in the same 2 week period, it's doing pretty good. And Twilight only beat it by a paltry 5 million.

    It's already the fifth highest grossing Muppet film, beating the World wide Box office for Muppet Christmas Carol in its second week domestically. It has barely 5 million to beat 2 more, making it the third largest grossing (still domestically)... it can easily clinch that by next weekend. The Muppets has one more good weekend before The Chipmunks 3 comes out, and it can easily get to over 60 million, even 70 million by then.

    Plus, the night's not over yet. It's 6:30 on the east coast. There's still a few more showings it can squeeze out by tomorrow.
  11. goldenstate5

    goldenstate5 Active Member

    See, the whole "hey, not bad for a franchise that was considered dead!" argument rather falls flat for me. "The Smurfs", despite the 3D, skyrocketed over 100 million; "Alvin and the Chipmunks" is of course a similar case. Both of these are aging franchises that, while respected, were considered even more lifeless upon re-entry. It's becoming clearer that it is market over-saturation. It is the simple fact that Arthur Christmas and Hugo ate some of the profit out of the film. What annoys me more of course is the fact that there are Chipmunks on the way, which will undoubtedly bury everything except (ironically) Hugo.

    Nothing steams me up more than Chipmunks potentially doubling the BO of Muppets, and that isn't even an overcrowding issue... it's a "more Americans would rather see something like this than Muppets" issue.

    Excuse me while I vomit...
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  12. Puckrox

    Puckrox Well-Known Member

    Whenever people see me wearing Muppet appearal or carrying something Muppet related, I tend to get the same reaction. This overjoys me and I have to be extra careful not to gush too much. I try not to scare the people interested away!
  13. Avilos

    Avilos Member

    You are not getting my point. No matter the age of a franchise or the amount of money made at the theaters, many kids might see the new film for the first time on the DVD. Than be more demanding to see the sequel right away.
  14. BobThePizzaBoy

    BobThePizzaBoy Well-Known Member

    I guess the next time we'll be seeing the Muppets on the big screen, Kermit will be a CG-realistic looking frog voiced by Will Ferrell or somebody pulling fart jokes like every other kid's movie these days... :boo:
  15. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    If the Muppets dont come close to, or even beat what the Smurfs movie made, I'll feel sad. Not just because I always hated the Smurfs, but because it makes me realize parents would rather take their kids to ugly cgi/live action hybrids than films that actually have a positive message, heart and are about something.

    Every year that passes, I get more and more sick of cgi
  16. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Im the same way, I used to geek out but now I just play it cool. I purposefully will not wear any Muppet related pins/scarves/socks/beanies/shirts if I don't want to talk to anyone or be noticed.

    If I wore a Disney or Pixar I doubt anyone would notice. Yet, thats what everyone is into and makes all the big bucks
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Many parents are on auto pilot. See my post on the audience's reaction. ;)
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The Smurfs film is amazing in the fact that Sony had so little confidence in the film, they were ready to bury it in the graveyard of August movies. They bumped it up to July (when people actually give a crap), and as it was the only new kid's film out, it made a fortune.

    Key words... Summer... only new family film. Again, Muppets opened with three kids movies in strong competition. With Smurfs, Kung Fu Panda 2 was out since May, Cars 2 since June. Same reason why that Gnome fiasco did so well... and it was well into its release when vacation weeks pumped it up.

    In the end...

    • Unlike a certain other Green hero based film, it made back its budget
    • This is JUST domestic and we won't know the full measure of the film until April
    • it has a LOT of competition from more Kids movies released in a 2 week period than all summer long, but managed to beat them all
    • The DVD isn't out yet. That's going to be the big proof.
    Though, I noticed that the week after a movie's out, they stop advertising it. What is the deal with that.
  19. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I still dont fully get the thanksgiving release. Everything about the film feels like a Summer movie. Not saying princess and the frog or tangled had anything holiday related, but it's a tradition for those sort of films to come out in november. I remember I believe it was thanksgiving 1996, the super lame live action 101 dalmations...tho i look fondly upon that time, as it was PRE cgi kids movie overload time period.
  20. Avilos

    Avilos Member

    I agree Beaker. Also if it got a summer release it would be getting a DVD release around now. It would have had great holiday sales.


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