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2nd Generation Fans

Discussion in 'Friends and Family' started by MuppetQuilter, Apr 15, 2002.

  1. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member


    I know there are some people who just had a baby and others with kids here and I was wondering how many of us are raising 2nd generation Muppet fans.

    My daughter is almost two and adores the "Muppies" as she calls them.

    So, who else has kids?
  2. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    Hi Annika,

    It's nice to see you on the new board! I was going to make you a Ma Otter sig way back in December after we'd all come back from MuppetFest, but then I kinda disappeared from the Internet for a while. I'd be happy to send you a smaller version of it to use for an avatar if you ever want a change :)

    Anyway, there seem to be so few of us around who are devout fanatics and have children. I happen to be one of them and proud to be passing on my passion for the Muppets to my daughter, who is now 19 months (that's a year and a half and a month for those of you who never understood why after 1 year old parents continued to chart their children's age by month. I understand now ;) )

    It's funny, I've always been a devout Muppets and Kermit admirer from the moment I could focus my little retinas on a TV screen and watch those characters come to life. Over the years, I never stopped being a fan per se, but when Gillian was born, it regenerated an appreciation I've had all my life and catapulted it to fanaticism.

    When she was born, "The Rainbow Connection" was a constant song coming from my vocal chords. She'd fall asleep on my chest with the vibrations of Kermit's words echoing through her head.

    Now, just as instinctively as you and I blink, when she gets up in the morning and sees me coming for her in her crib, I don't get a "Daddy! Daddy!" as if to say "Good Morning", but rather "Kermit? Kermit?" as if to ask if we can now watch Kermit as she knows that this is part of the process of waking up.

    Gillians' rules for waking up:
    • Yell for Daddy to come and get me
    • Daddy changes my diapy
    • We watch "The Muppet Show" or "The Best of Kermit On Sesame Street" so Daddy has some time to wake up to the world
    Night-time is more for watching The Muppet Movie, Caper or Manhattan (I think since I purchased them on DVD, I've collectively seen them about 80 times each). She won't sit perfectly still for anything other than these movies.

    I'll never forget the very first time we watched The Muppet Movie together after she'd been doing nothing but listening to Kermit sing "The Rainbow Connection" on the CD for months. It was like a whole new world opened up to her.

    We were supposed to go see a special performance of "Sesame Street Live" next weekend, but it looks like that idea's been nixed since my source for tickets has fallen through. It seems we'll be settling for "Bear In the Big Blue House Live" instead, which is hardly anything to complain about. On the other hand, I can't wait for the moment when she can see Ernie and Grover up on the big stage, LIVE in front of her! She'll freak!

    I hope to get her to Sesame Place (the theme park in PA) this summer if things go as I hope they will. Have you been with your little one yet? I know Jess (FellowWLover) takes her 3-year-old daughter every year and they love it.

    Until then, we'll be tiding ourselves over with our home video collection and singing the songs in the car.

  3. Joggy

    Joggy Well-Known Member

    Shouldn't we call it a "third generation"? I mean, I'm 19 and I always considered myself a second generation...

    I wonder if everybody's kids will come together online one day to form a New Generation Muppet Central! Wouldn't that be cool?!
  4. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    I think because of all the different ages at which we begin to have children, there could probably be several generations of Muppet fans by now. I think what Annika meant by 2nd generation is those who have offsprung (a word?) from those who grew up watching the Muppets in their prime. Technically I was a little late myself. I wasn't even born until 1978, two years into The Muppet Show. Then again, It didn't end until `81, and we still had Caper and Manhattan in `82 and `84, respectively. So yeah, I was right there as a little tike when the Muppets were really going full throttle; just one of the younger ones of that group. Hence, why, now that I'm passing on this fandom to my daughter, she becomes 2nd generation.

    Maybe you're kind of a generation 1.5 :p

    I guess there's a number of ways you could look at it, which really, none of it really matters so long as we're all one big zany Muppet-fan family.

    (I hope this doesn't get as confusing as the whole "3rd cousin, twice removed" thing)
  5. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    It's good to know I don't have the only child who puts Kermit first in her priorities!

    We went to the mall tour of Play with Me Sesame a week or so ago and it was great! She danced to the classic Sesame Street songs before the show started and was thrilled when Ernie and Bert and Grover came on stage. In fact, I told her we were going the day before and she kept saying "See Grover! See Grover now!"

    Gillian is a great name, BTW.

    Eleanor also spent a lot of time snuggled up against her father's chest while he sang Rainbow Connection and (her favorite) I'm Going to Go Back There Someday. Actually, she still does, only now she sings along in a sleepy little voice.

    We haven't been to Sesame Place yet-- as it is about 3000 miles away-- but plan to go in the next few years. I've never been there so I may be more excited to make the trip than the kidlet.

    About the generational thing--

    I did indeed mean Muppet fans raising their own children to appreciate the Muppets. My parents were finishing high school as Jim was making his first puppet-- so I'm definitely a first generation Muppet fan. My mother likes them and all, but she sure didn't grow up with 'em.
  6. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Well, my wife started having contractions yesterday, so I'll be a part of this list before too long....we're having a boy, and he's going to see the Muppets around a LOT in his life--whether or not he latches onto that will be his own choice. I don't want to brainwash him or anything, but he'll definitely know they're around!

  7. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member


    Congratulations and good luck!

    Hope it all goes quickly and smoothly (my daughter arrived three weeks after the contractions started-- but that is one of those bizarre things that only happens to me)!

    Let us know when he arrives!!
  8. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Well-Known Member


    Ooohh 1.5, That gives us an edgy style !

    Like they are never sure what we are going to do next !

    Freak City !
  9. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Well, the contracting is still going on...but no baby is coming out. Yet. We have a doctor's appointment Thursday...hopefully he won't see a baby-head or something. Never mind.

  10. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    Good luck Quinn!

    And start dusting off that Sesame Street: Dreamytime Songs CD :D
  11. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member

    Ooooh---that CD is one I don't have....I have 20 OTHER Sesame CDs, but not that one...YET. Is it any good?

  12. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    You kidding me? It's fantastic! Got some all-time greats on it:

    If I Were - Kermit
    If Moon Was Cookie - Cookie Monster
    Imagination - Ernie
    What Do I Do When I'm Alone? - Grover
    The Frogs in the Glen - Kermit
    Dance Myself to Sleep - Ernie
    Little Things - Prairie Dawn
    I Don't Want to Live on the Moon - Ernie

    .....and others too, but these are the highlights for me. Amazon's got it pretty cheap at $10.49, but you should be able to pick it up in most stores still.

    It's a must especially now with a baby on the way!
  13. Joggy

    Joggy Well-Known Member

    I still can't get rid of the idea that in about 16 years, everybody's kids might come together in a chatroom... and that we, 1,5th Generation Members, will be the older ones then!
  14. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Well-Known Member

    Well I tried to post this to you, Scott, but that does not seem to be an option on the new board, so I hope you will scan and read. I have decided to take Emileigh to Sesame Place in May this year, and then save the return ticket (which is free with full purchase price) for a trip in October for The Count's Boo-Spectacular weekend (or named something like that).

    Thing is, in the summer, SP is just crammed with people who are mostly there to ride the water rides. Since we live at the beach, the water rides are not that important to us... we are there to see MUPPETS darn it, not to swim with the great unwashed of Philadelphia (no offense to those from Philly, but if you have been to SP in August, I think you know what I mean!). If you go on the "off season", you get a better view for the shows and the characters on the Street. (I always wondered why they felt they needed the draw of the water rides anyway. Why not just expand on the Muppet shows and theme rides?)

    Have you ever been to SP? It is kinda a drive for you I think, but could be combined with other local attractions like the beach, or museums and zoo in Philly!
  15. Gonzo

    Gonzo Well-Known Member


    I already have all of those on other CDs, but not together in one compilation. Maybe that's why I haven't picked it up yet--I've already got it!

  16. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    Yeah I really don't like the fact that we've lost that feature. It makes for debates and volley conversations much more difficult.
    Hm, I didn't even know they had water rides there. I don't think we'd be very interested in that either. She has a pool at Mommy's house and I live near the beach too. Although water rides can be fun, we'd be there more for the Muppety attractions.

    As for when we'll end up going, I'm likely going to take your advice and go in the off-season. She turns two in September and it might be the perfect thing for us to do, if I can convince Mommy to come.
    Nope, never been. Right now I'm looking forward to going more than she is! But I know that once she gets there, she's just going to be in Seventh Heaven. PA's not much of a drive for me from Boston, but will likely be tough on a 2-year old. I'll likely need to make lots of stops so we can get out of the Jeep and run around or whatever. I know it's going to be a tough trip to plan, but I think it would be worthwhile. Heck, depending on the kind of money I'm making then, I may fly us out!
  17. Iggy35

    Iggy35 Well-Known Member

    Well, I was born May 19th 1976 so I got yanked out just intime for the first episode I think (is that right?)
    So, I guess I am first generation.
    The problem I have is this.
    When buying Muppet toys from shops or ebay, I use the excuse to my girlfriend "Its for the baby!"
    Then when I get it, HE'S NOT ALLOWED NEAR IT!!!!
    Or if I do let him have a *little*play, I watch him like a hawk.
    If it goes near his mouth.....SNATCH!!
    But hey, he's welcome to watch my video's and DVD's anytime he likes, but touch my Rowlf puppet AND I'LL BITE YER NOSE OFF!!!!

  18. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Well-Known Member

    September is a nice time to shoot for, although I went for the first time on my birthday (10/22) and it was darn near the nicest day possible! All the characters were psyched, and the weather was great. It was hardly crowded, and we got to meet practically every Muppet there!

    Ages two and under receive free admission, which is nothing to sneeze at since it is upward of 35.00 bucks a person! (Dairy Queen has great coupons though for seven or eight bucks off by the end of the season though, maybe even ten by Septemeber.)

    I definately think you should come the night before though, since I believe you are looking at a five to six hour drive! It only take me about an hour to get there, but I always try to be there right when the park opens, and of course we stay until close. I doubt you will be able to so that from Boston!
  19. MuppetQuilter

    MuppetQuilter Well-Known Member

    Here's what I meant by first and second generation fan-- it had nothing to do with age or when in the Muppet time line you were born.

    First generation-- you love the Muppets but your parents weren't fans. You are the first generation of Muppet fan(s) in your family.

    Second generation-- you love the Muppets and your parent(s) love them.

    Third generation-- you, your parent(s) and grandparent(s) love them.

    In other words-- if your parents were big Muppet fans before you came upon an episode of Sesame Street-- you are second generation. If your grandparents are big Muppet fans, you're third gen. (If your grandparents lived in the DC area, this is possible-- they could have watched Sam and Friends. I suppose it is also possible for fans of the SNL skits to have grandkids now--- oh, I'm starting to feel old.)

    Actual generational dating covers fairly broad time periods. American generational theorists tend to divide the 13th and 14th generations in the late 60s or early 70s (different theorists use different dates). That refers to birth years-- people born prior to the date are 13th gen and after the date are 14th. I think 15th gen starts around 2000 but it might be more like 2010.
  20. scarecroe

    scarecroe Well-Known Member

    So wait, you do have a kid? Or do you speak of a nephew or your girlfriend's baby?
    Carefull with those DVDs. My daughter and I watch them together CONSTANTLY but she's a really huge fan of pulling them all off the shelf, throwing them on the floor, taking the discs out, even taking the front insert that sits behind the clear plastic out and folding it backwards. We're improving now though. She's started putting them back up on the shelf in the cutest way... any which way but the correct one. It's pretty funny so I really don't mind that she loves them so much. Just so long as the discs don't get damaged.

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