Judging Your Own Creativity

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I was going to post this in the "Am I the Only One Thread", but I got to thinking that this really deserves to be it's own topic, considering MC is comprised of several, several creative, imaginative, and talented individuals who I'm sure would like to discuss in more detail such matters.

And for those of you who fit that bill, lemme ask you this... does there ever a point in time, when you look back on your work, you re-examine a particular project you've worked on, something that you put a lot of time and effort into, something that stands out among your work, something that at the time of it's completion you're really proud of it because it's like a (major) accomplishment of yours because it's a little different than what you're accustomed to and therefore you feel you succeeded at trying something new, only to find it cringeworthy later on? At any given time afterwards, like a couple of months, or maybe even a year or so, do you look back on some of what you've done that you thought was good at the time, but then think it's really pretty bad, and that you could have either done better, or you simply tried too hard in the first place?

I find myself in that realization from time to time, I think part of it has to do with my being a perfectionist, and a stickler for detail, everything I do has to be just, and I rarely find myself ever thinking that anything I do is actually as perfect as perfect can be. There are quite a few things I've done in the past that, to this day, I'm still quite proud of the results and everything, but sometimes, there's just certain things that I was proud of at the time, then look back on and I can't even bring myself to look through it because I think it's so bad... this seems to happen to me particularly when I do something that's a bit of a stretch for myself, like when it comes to writing for example: I write a lot, whether it's fanfics, or scripts, or material for my puppets, etc, and when it comes to writing, I generally stick with comedy, because it tends to get good reactions and response from people, and apparently some think I'm just a funny person in general, so I guess in a sense it comes to me more naturally, but once in a while, I like to challenge myself in new ways, and I'll try my hand at writing something serious for a change. I like to do this, because character development is something I enjoy, so I feel writing more serious stories allows me to delve deeper into a character's mind and explore what it is about them that makes them the way they are, or otherwise how they would handle being put in a situation they don't normally come across. Sometimes I feel I do a good job, but then sometimes not so much... like sometime in late 2008/2009 I wrote a really heavy and dramatic fanfict that, at the time, I was really proud of because I thought it was my best work as far as serious/dramatic writing goes, and it did seem to go over fairly well with readers and such... but after about a year or so, when I re-read it a couple of times, I found myself thinking I can't believe I actually wrote that... looking at it now, it seems like I tried way too hard at the seriousness of the plot, and a lot of the dramatics in the story seem forced and like I was pushing the envelope a little too far. I think at the time, I probably was trying a little too hard, because I rarely write serious stuff anyway, as it doesn't tend to get as much positive reaction as my usual comedy, though there have been occasions where my more serious writing is met with positivity.

Of course, it doesn't just apply to writing, it applies to a lot of my work as well... sometimes I look back on some things, like older Steve D'Monster videos I've done years ago, and I end up rolling my eyes and shaking my head at how cheesy they are and thinking they could've been so much better if I did them differently.

So what about the rest of you? Do you ever find yourself in this realization? Has there ever been a time you created something you thought was gold, only to look back on it and realize it isn't even copper? Do you ever look at some of things you've done and asked yourself what were you thinking?
 

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It happens to me all the time. Sometimes it's warranted, but other times I'm just being too harsh on myself. At that point you really need other opinions.
 

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Good topic Snowth. Answer: H*LL yeah, all the time! I think the danger as an artist in ANY medium is if you stay in the "I think my work is awesome" mindset for an extended period of time...we should always be moving upward, improving, perfecting -- not to sound all Jonathan Seagull, heh. I have gone through several "plateaus" when I was frustrated because I simply couldn't make my writing better -- and I knew it NEEDED to be better. Walking away from it and doing something else (lighting design, painting, drawing, beading) usually works; come back in a few months and start again on a new story, and voila, improvement!

A couple of years ago I sought out and mercilessly destroyed ALL of my previous writing. Every scrap, except for one segment of a story I hope to come back to one day when I know how to do it without bogging in cliches. Every time I reread something from months ago I see ways to fix it, to improve it...anyone who DOESN'T see this in their own work is kidding themselves, frankly. Good for you that you refuse to stagnate! :news: And where is your serious stuff posted? I don't recall seeing fics by you around; forgive my blindness.

Doing stuff in different genres may be challenging, but it also helps you learn things about the ones you're more comfortable with. Even if the story is a flop, you can go back to your more typical work with a fresh perspective on WHY it works or doesn't work, and that's always useful.

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I'm generally pretty satisfied with the fics I've written in my adult life. There are exceptions, of course. However. I feel that way about most of my artwork. While I work on a picture I'm in love with it. A week later I won't be able to look at it. I'll scroll past it or look at another part of the screen. I'll see all the flaws that I ignored before. Her head's too big, the pose is awkward, the proportions are wonky, Scooter looks like freakin' H.R. Pufnstuf. An animator once said that every artist had 10,000 bad drawings, and the best thing to do was to get through them as soon as possible. Well, I'm still doing that. There are some pics I remain pleased with...but even then I see all the goofs and simply lazy bits and wish I could go back and fix them.
 

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Walking away from it and doing something else (lighting design, painting, drawing, beading) usually works; come back in a few months and start again on a new story, and voila, improvement!
I actually know what that's like, I did cartooning almost nonstop from like 1999 to 2006 or so, and after that, I had absolutely had it, I was burned out, and I couldn't take it anymore (plus the fact that I was into a depression at that time didn't help either), so I called it quits, ceased comics that I did, shelved an animated short I was in the middle of, and decided to put my entire focus into my puppetry, because THAT'S where my passion lies, I could never get sick of puppetry... then this past Halloween, a song got stuck in my head, sparked a little burst of creativity, then I ended up going my first somewhat lengthily webcomic in five years *Shameless points to sig*
A couple of years ago I sought out and mercilessly destroyed ALL of my previous writing. Every scrap, except for one segment of a story I hope to come back to one day when I know how to do it without bogging in cliches. Every time I reread something from months ago I see ways to fix it, to improve it...anyone who DOESN'T see this in their own work is kidding themselves, frankly. Good for you that you refuse to stagnate! :news:
I do that myself sometimes... once, I wrote a script that was soooooo bad, and frankly in a sense a little disturbing when someone really thinks about it, that I ripped it from it's cover, soaked it in the bathtub till it became gray mush, then shredded it up and tossed it. Other times, I will actually completely re-write something if I think of a better storyflow, like with a pilot script. And even with my puppets, like Jim, sometimes I'll redesign a character, either for small insignficant things (like eye colors or such) to completely redesigning the entire character (like The Squirrely Squirrels). I have a feeling that even years from now, I'll look back on work that doesn't exist presently, and think later that it could have been better than it will be then. :laugh:
And where is your serious stuff posted? I don't recall seeing fics by you around; forgive my blindness.
Probably not, I rarely do fics here, because I'm not part of the clique (people like myself, our fics tend to be ignored here), I'm refering to my old Chipmunk fanfics, which can be accessed here:

http://simanetteworld.webs.com/fanfiction.htm

For the record, the fic I was refering to in my original post is "Everlasting Love", I would recommend NOT reading that one. They're all mostly comedy, but the PG-13 ones (and "Dreams") are the more serious stories.
Doing stuff in different genres may be challenging, but it also helps you learn things about the ones you're more comfortable with. Even if the story is a flop, you can go back to your more typical work with a fresh perspective on WHY it works or doesn't work, and that's always useful.

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I can agree with that... in fact, the way I feel is that when it comes to writing, when you write comedy for a long period, you can only make the jokes, gags, banter, wordplay, antics, etc so funny for so long that there comes a point in time where it's just not funny anymore, because it's been played.
 

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Well, if you ask ANYBODY who creates, you can say that the worst critic that they have is themselves. You can ALWAYS look at something you did and think "Well, if I did it THIS way" or "If I did it THAT way" and almost NEVER be happy with the result. Although, doing this drives people crazy and that's why you see some of the greatest creative minds turned to alcohol, drugs or both or even suicide. You can't second guess yourself cause after a while, looking through that stuff, and saying "Man, I should've done this, that or the other" is gonna drive you to the brink. It's nice to relive the past, just don't live there.
Although, me, I look at some of the stories that I've written and go "Ok, what the heck was I on when I wrote this?" Cause there's no WAY a normal person could've written that lol.

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Snowth, though your method of destruction-by-drowning of a fic made me smile, I have to recommend burning them. You can toast marshmallows that way, and make them useful! :news:

I took a look at your fics. Not into the Chipmunks myself, but honestly I saw some character development and just general word crafting which I thought was good. Apply that to everything you write, and ya can't go wrong...

As to looking back at one's own past work and wanting to change things...don't. Just don't. When I was in theatre, one of the rules I adopted from my tech director/design prof was, "It's all fluid until opening night. Then it's done." Set yourself a point of no return, and stick to it. And don't look back!
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When I was in theatre, one of the rules I adopted from my tech director/design prof was, "It's all fluid until opening night. Then it's done." Set yourself a point of no return, and stick to it. And don't look back!
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Okay, now somebody explain that to George Lucas. :stick_out_tongue: :stick_out_tongue: :stick_out_tongue:
 
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