The Bible and Love and Christians

[frogboy4]

You're right, it would be messy and it would likely take years. Absolutely. Interestingly, our country's government was founded in much the same manner, lol.

I agree. Americans are too impatient now for a revolution.

 

[RedPiggy]

And too lazy. Had the 18th Century had American Idol, even fewer people would've shown up than actually did.

 

[frogboy4]

Pat Robertson Says God Will Destroy America Over Same-Sex Rights​

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Please tell me that most Christians think this guy is a boob. ​

Says robertson: "In history, there has never been a civilization that has embraced homosexuality and turned away from traditional fidelity, traditional marriage, traditional child-rearing and has survived. There isn't one single civilization that has survived...So you say, 'what’s going to happen to America?' If history is any guide, the same thing is going to happen to us."​

He then goes on to day some crazy things about "angel raping". I wasn't aware of that epidemic. ​

His statement is grossly inaccurate. There are societies in the world that have been stable for hundreds of years that practice all sorts of things. America is a relatively new country and marriage for love is a concept only recently embraced and mostly by the Western culture. I understand why some people don't favor it or support it, but to deny that right to others, especially under this crackpot superstition, is insane!

 

[RedPiggy]

Pat Robertson makes Pa Gorg and Sam the Eagle, maybe even BP Richfield look positively liberal, LOL. No one with half a brain cares about him, other than to realize he's basically Osama Bin Robertson for the Jayzus crowd. "Tradtional marriage" doesn't exist in the bible, at least not the way Christians depict it (nowadays, anyway). Marrying your sisters and a good dozen or so (at least) other women was totally legit "traditionally". Why meet up with a girl and go out to a movie when you can have her father sell her to you, or you can just, uh, "force" her into a relationship with you? Adam and Eve are considered the prime example of "tradtional marriage", but it's funny, I can't seem to find the verse that said they were married at all! Can you? I mean, there's that "one flesh" thing, but that's talking about, well, birds and bees stuff, not some random arbitrary political/legal definition of a relationship. Maybe he just means US "tradition", like sleeping with African slave girls while the wife is powdering her nose (I'm looking at you, Tommy Jeff.) Or common marriage, where there is no "official" ceremony, the couple just shacked up long enough to qualify? Let's go ask Jesus.

Jesus: I'd much rather not be married, too many audiences to talk to and not enough time to MAKE kids, any of My children would just be offed by the church in a power grab anyhow, oh, and I specifically told Pete that what he blesses on Earth will be validated in Heaven ... except for marriage, which doesn't work that way because marriage is for idiots apparently (God, how did Mom stay with "dad" so long?).

Hm, maybe we shouldn't ask Jesus ....

 

[frogboy4]

The opposition to NY's passage of gay marriage has impsired me to look up this old article I wrote under a pen name "buttersboi" for LGBT blog queersupe.com after the passage of Prop 8. It's slightly edited here and I won't link directly to it due to a few choice obscenities. Yup, I'm known to curse a little bit. Okay, a lot!

Prince Can Go Hug His Camel!​

11/30/2008​

I am surprised to find that not everyone in entertainment has been outraged by the passage of California’s Proposition 8. In fact, some actually support it. Forget how disturbing it is to know that Pretty in Pink’s Ducky is a McCain supporting Republican (no one knows his view on Prop 8), but the Paisley Park pop diva himself has professed his support for denying the rights of gay Californians to marry (though he later claimed he was misquoted – but the New Yorker stands by their story).

Prince has always mixed spiritual overtones in his music, yet it took a Kevin Smith special to shed some light on this once popular icon’s evolution into a practicing Jehovah’s Witness. Evidently Prince believes it his duty to enforce his views of salvation on others when not spontaneously demanding the purchase of a camel at three in the morning.

Prince told a reporter for the New Yorker, “God came to earth and saw people sticking it wherever and doing it with whatever, and he just cleared it all out. He was, like, ‘Enough.‘” This makes me wonder what those infamous yellow bottomless chaps were for that Prince wore years ago on MTV. What a tease! He also went on to preach the wickedness of homosexuality.

Prince rooted his career on his cheeky androgyny to gain acceptance in the gay community. Now he believes himself to be the authority on scripture and that both Republicans and Democrats have it wrong. Prince is also finding new ways to alienate his public by failing to fulfill contractual agreements including personal appearances and product endorsements. He won’t even allow fan sites to post any images of him, his album covers or even their own photographs of Prince themed tattoos and memorabilia, but I digress.

There does seem to be more to this “minority hatred” toward the gay community than media spin. Self-professed comedian DL Hugley admitted his conflict on the measure during his attempted CNN facsimile of Bill Maher’s popular HBO program. Even stars like Forest Whitaker and Don Cheadle belong to the Film Independent organization that donated funds in support of Prop 8. Why did minorities vote in strong numbers for a proposition to repress another minority? Jesus.

(Please forgive the sarcasm to come. It's not intended to offend anyone. I'm only pointing out the hypocrisy employed in Jesus' name that should infuriate most Christians.)

We all love Jesus. He usually has blond hair, blue eyes and tight abs when Mel Gibson isn’t busy obscuring all of that by bloodying him up and killing him in his movies. I don’t know why Mel hates Jesus so much. Spirituality can be an important force in centering an individual. It sure has helped minorities through some inconceivable times. Personal enlightenment has now been replaced with irrational superstition that is preventing gay men and women of some basic civil rights. God and religion have become a child’s binky for grownups.

Religion and gay rights can easily coexist as long as these “non-profit” organizations aren’t funding political initiatives. Nobody intends to force churches in opposition to gay people to perform their marriage ceremonies. Nobody is trying to teach gay sex in schools either. The only indoctrination comes from the Christian community. Maybe they are mistaking their own tactics for ours. I could care less how a church or individual feels about my life. I just want the opportunity to live it the way I see fit – a way that doesn’t hurt anyone and has the same legal protections as others gay, straight, black, Hispanic, married or single. This battle is about more than marriage, it is about equal opportunity.

Let’s be honest here; this isn’t really about God. He’s merely the justification for the prejudice so such people can sleep at night. This is about what everything else is about in this country – the kids. That’s why the advertising in Prop 8 focused on children. The leading website on the subject, preservemarriage.org, has admitted to the fact that they don’t want to legitimize gay families. They really aren’t concerned about the “definition of marriage” as they claim. These zealots are worried about trying to explain their disapproval of thriving gay people and families in their community to their children without sounding intolerant. Ultimately – it’s about hate.

I love classic Prince music. He wrote “When U Were Mine” for my favorite singer Cyndi Lauper (who would likely whoop his butt now) and other such Christian favorites such as “Cream”, “Get Off”, and “P**** Control”. Should we forgive Prince? Maybe it’s some sort of madness talking. Let’s not forget the popular “Little Red Corvette” where he boasts his reuse of prophylactics. That could certainly cause it. I’m kidding of course! It’s just difficult to make sense of this crazy talk from the star of “Purple Rain” and “Under the Cherry Moon”. Maybe he’s spending so much time with his dromedary that he no longer knows how to interact with real people.

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I hope you enjoyed the article. Originally it unintentionally embedded some clips that I have since removed due to some of them being possibly inflammatory or insensitive. Those were at the webmaster's discretion. I enjoyed and approved them, but I didn't feel they were appropriate here. I hope this editorial is taken as intended.

 

[Drtooth]

Is Michelle Bachman the one that had to spend time and money to make a tv ad proclaiming "she's not a witch"? This is why most of America laughs at so much of *other* America as uneducated hee haws who listen to Glenn Beck.

Rhymes with witch. if nothing else, we know she possibly got straight "F's" in History class. I have no problem with women in politics... but riddle me this? How come all the right wing women look like they're beauty pageant contestants (some actually are) and most left wing females look like lesbian stereotypes.

Please tell me that most Christians think this guy is a boob.

Well, I think he's a derogatory slur term for the anatomical part of the female anatomy, but I can't say that in polite company.

This is why people hate Christians. Schmucks like him who use God's word for fear, terror and hatred. In my mind, there's NO difference between his group and Al Qaeda. Sure, his followers haven't blown anything up (yet), but it's that same Women are subservient, kids need to be forcefully indoctrinated, gays need to be put in concentration camp thinking.

 

[CensoredAlso]

We all love Jesus. He usually has blond hair, blue eyes and tight abs

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I was never taught that Jesus had blond hair, I assure you, lol. ​

This is why people hate Christians

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Oh yeah, because people always hate for good, rational reasons. ​

Just saying, many people also hate Chrisitans because it's politically correct and have a false impression that it's somehow rebellious in this day and age. Meanwhile they ignore other religions that have similar or even worse violations of human rights. ​

And oh yeah, the terrorists hate Christians simply because we're not their religion. ​

Guys, I already expressed my congrats on the New York ruling on gay marriage, and I meant it. But um yeah, I'm not going to keep being the sole defender of my religion while it's "on trial" here. I'd be happy to discuss Christianity's hypocrises, but not while it's being attacked from all sides. As a Christian I am not nor have I ever been affiliated with Pat Robertson. Is this a HUAC trial now? Lol. You guys have your fun, I'll wait until the discussion has moved on.​

 

[frogboy4]

Just saying, many people also hate Chrisitans because it's politically correct and have a false impression that it's somehow rebellious in this day and age. Meanwhile they ignore other religions that have similar or even worse violations of human rights. ​

And oh yeah, the terrorists hate Christians simply because we're not their religion. ​

Guys, I already expressed my congrats on the New York ruling on gay marriage, and I meant it. But um yeah, I'm not going to keep being the sole defender of my religion while it's "on trial" here. I'd be happy to discuss Christianity's hypocrises, but not while it's being attacked from all sides. As a Christian I am not nor have I ever been affiliated with Pat Robertson. Is this a HUAC trial now? Lol. You guys have your fun, I'll wait until the discussion has moved on.​

It appears we both are of the same mind about certain Christian-based political action committees. I'm glad you support the recent ruling too!

However, this thread was started about this very topic concerning gay rights and Christianity. Obama politics, wars in the Middle East and lengthy discussions about other religions are fringe discussions that are not on-topic and would likely be best explored in depth elsewhere. If you feel that there's nothing on-topic to contribute then that's okay too.

I would like to keep this thread about mutual tolerance and equal rights for all. I offered my archived article as a reflection of the climate in 2008. My jab at the Caucasian image of Jesus was to point out how inaccurately he is often depicted (and boy is he - as evidenced by the bizarre blond Jesus statues that fill many Christian book stores even though he was likely much darker in complexion).

Right now there are NY officials who claim that they will refuse to sign gay marriage certificates due to their own religious bias. The fight in NY is not over.

 

[CensoredAlso]

It appears we both are of the same mind about certain Christian-based political action committees. I'm glad you support the recent ruling too!

No problem.

But in the same spirit of equal rights, I just can't keep posting in a thread that's dedicated to bashing one particular group. I mean, it would be like if someone started a thread with the sole purpose of putting gay rights on trial. I wouldn't post in that kind of thread either.

I've said before I felt like I was caught in the middle of a divorce? Well I can't keep visiting Parent #1 while he or she is bashing Parent #2. Or vice versa. I shouldn't have to choose loyalties like that. Frankly, I'd rather be an orphan, lol.

Nor should I have to explain that I don't support Pat Robertson. I mean seriously? I'm sorry but I was really offended by that. That is, if a Christian is allowed to get offended...

I'm not mad at anyone here. Like I said, have fun. I'll leave you guys to your discussion. Take care.

 

[Drtooth]

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Oh yeah, because people always hate for good, rational reasons. ​

Just saying, many people also hate Chrisitans because it's politically correct and have a false impression that it's somehow rebellious in this day and age. Meanwhile they ignore other religions that have similar or even worse violations of human rights.​

Cuz, maybe the people who hate Christians think they're all alike, and all batso nutwackadoo freaks because of that guy? That's what I was getting at.

People like Pat Robertslime and Jerry Farright give Christians a bad name, and as a Christian myself, I am FURIOUS at these guys.

Yes, we all want to paint a paintbrush on each other over the last decade. No one was happy, everyone was furious at each other... everyone hated each other. Meanwhile, talking heads made a bundle. And they're still trying to keep the nation nice and divided so they can sell more books and put in politicians that make sure they get big fat tax cuts from getting paid to make people unhappy.

The left hated Christians because of the right, the right hated the left because they hated Christians because of the politicians they think they have to support. That's the bottom line right there. You have all these dark, nasty loudmouths spending time not helping the poor, not helping the sick, but issuing large lengthy press releases about how kids will turn into gay lovers from watching Spongebob. I'm sorry, but a TRUE Christian would've been sick to their stomachs over that.