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Your Thoughts: The Muppets Season 1 Episode 111 - Swine Song

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Phillip, Feb 2, 2016.


What did you think of "The Muppets" episode "Swine Song"?

  1. Absolutely positively! This episode was great!

  2. Bork bork! This episode was good.

  3. Mee mee. This episode was so-so.

  4. You're all weirdos! This episode was disappointing.

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  1. dwmckim

    dwmckim Well-Known Member

    I know it's been a long time since i've posted on this forum, but felt it was important to do a "drive-by" to offer the following suggestions...

    The Live Viewing Numbers, as others noted, were not good. (I had a feeling that might happen as i noted other places - i didn't feel like ABC was doing an effective job of reaching out to the viewers who weren't watching or had tuned out which is what most needed to happen. Too much of the news surrounding the changes and the return was "preaching to the choir" - the devoted viewers who were still regularly tuning in. A big blitz finally happened the day of the actual airing - too-little-too-late...but i digress as that's not the main thing i came here to talk about.)

    I'm seeing a lot of fans wallowing in despair and giving up hope. Instead of doing that, it's time for fans to get active and make what can be a very crucial difference.

    Step One: So those poor numbers were the Live Viewing Numbers. "The Muppets" could still potentially make up for them in the delayed/multiplatform viewing numbers. Be sure to regularly click on the abc and/or hulu link to the most recent episode. You can watch Swine Song officially online here: http://abc.go.com/shows/the-muppets/episode-guide/season-01/11-swine-song & http://www.hulu.com/watch/900330#i0,p10,d0

    Ever since the show debuted, i've made a point of clicking on the latest episode on both ABC & Hulu each day. (You can even just let it play in a separate tab as you're doing other stuff.) Click on the links yourself and share the links with others - encourage all your friends to watch.

    Step Two: CONTACT ABC (both the network and your local affiliate station) Write, call, email, tweet etc. Let them know you're a devoted viewer of "The Muppets" and wish to see it renewed for a second season. (Include your demographic info such as age & gender)

    I would STRONGLY RECOMMEND that as you're doing so, encourage ABC to move a second season of "The Muppets" out of the doomed-to-fail Tuesday nights. This is one of the most competitive, saturated nights and while ABC thought highly enough of the series to put it there to begin with, it's becoming increasingly clear that in that crowded arena, viewers aren't choosing "The Muppets" among their choices to watch live as it's broadcast. The best thing ABC can do is concede that Tuesday is a poor fit and move it to a place where it's far more likely to attract the audience most receptive to it - which i believe to be the Wednesday night comedy block. "Move Before Cancel" needs to be our mantra that we deliver en masse to ABC. The audience is out there and the ability to be a hit still exists - but ABC needs to maximize the shows' effectiveness in reaching its target viewers.

    It's really important to be proactive and do this as soon as possible BEFORE a cancellation announcement gets made!!

    All communication needs to be polite and respectful and not angry or raving (and really, there's no need for angry tones as the current ABC regime has been generally supportive of the show and seems to want it to succeed.)

    There is some some good news on our side - of all ABC's new shows, "The Muppets" has remained the one with the highest average demos for the season-to-date (18-49 viewers - these are the numbers that set ad rates and because of that are often considered more important than total number of viewers)

    Time for Muppet fans to represent. Our actions at this time is what may ultimately make the difference.

    Ready, set, go!
  2. Pig's Laundry

    Pig's Laundry Well-Known Member

    Hey buddy good to see you again! Of course we've never actually communicated with eachother,but I know you because i've been reading the forum for nine years now.
    And yes,I guess your right,we can make all the difference. There are at least three million people who regularly watch the show and there are millions of devoted Muppet fans across the globe. Don't let The Muppets die so easily. Even if you don't like this show,if this show ends too early we may never see any new Muppet movie,special or show ever again. Promote the show any way that you know how, introduce your favorite episodes to friends,promote it on Twitter,Pinterest,Facebook,Instagram,Tumblr. If you don't have an account on any of these websites,please sign up. Maybe ask a big celebrity to endorse the show.
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  3. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    Well said dwmckim! WE, as Muppet fans, can make the difference here. Remember, it all starts with "Just One Person"!

    I also subscribe to the "Move Before Cancel" campaign. I would hate to see The Muppets consigned to the Friday night death slot but even that would be better than giving up on a good thing, especially with so much effort going into a re-tool, reboot, re-whatever.

    I'd absolutely freaking love to see The Muppets as part of the Wednesday comedy block. It would mesh perfectly with The Goldbergs, from where I'm sitting. Problem is, I don't see veteran ABC hits Modern Family or The Middle shutting down production anytime soon, and Black-ish looks pretty solid in the 9:30 ET/8:30 CT block as well (and that time slot would probably be too late for The Muppets anyway).

    I suspect that a big part of this might be out of our hands, anyway, as ABC appears to be gearing to launch The Real McNeals on Tuesday once The Muppets wraps up. If that one does a better job of holding Fresh Off The Boat's numbers, it's trouble for The Muppets. But I frankly don't see that happening, based on the little I've seen in the previews. We'll see.

    Three other quick observations about "Swine Song":

    This might be the first episode I've seen in awhile that concentrated heavily on its "A" plot instead of wedging two other stories in. Sure, we had the Piggy-Kermit-Denise triangle and Uncle Deadly's growing relationship with Gloria the penguin, but the underlying theme of fixing Up Late seemed to predominate. As I felt a couple of previous episodes depended too heavily on extra plotlines, I liked the way "Swine Song" set things up.

    Also: Much more attention given to the mockumentary format (especially in the opening sequences), which works just fine by me. Hey, if this is the engine that drives the new series, the writers might as well stay committed to it.

    And I'm surprised no one else has brought this up: If Denise is part of ABC's marketing department, why wasn't she much more involved in the "Swine Song" plotline? For that matter, why has her job NEVER played a role in this series? I thought we'd have a truckload of great meta-humour about ABC's promotion of The Muppets, and quite bluntly, if anyone was to step in and mess around with Up Late's branding and format, I figured it would be Denise, not Pache/Pizza, and that it would have happened much earlier than this. What a missed opportunity...
  4. terrimonster

    terrimonster Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be surprised if The Middle ended soon. Some of the cast are ready to move on, and though I still love it, it's nearing its logical end with two kids out of the home. If they wrap, then Wednesday would be a perfect fit for The Muppets. It's a family-themed comedy block, and as you alluded to, The Goldbergs practically serves as a companion piece to the Muppets, referencing them all the time. I hope - but doubt - that ABC would have the confidence for such a move.
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  5. TheWeirdoGirl

    TheWeirdoGirl Well-Known Member

    Loved this episode. As an Etsy seller, I especially enjoyed the references to Key and Peele's shop. I can really relate to the whole "We sold some mitts. WE SOLD SOME MITTS" thing. :)
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  6. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Bill was scared when Pepe was driving.
  7. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    Well, we've already seen this season that Rizzo is a bad driver. The last time (I believe) we saw Gonzo drive his truck ended up upside down on top of Fozzie's car. So, if they needed one of the writers for the Uber bit then Pepe was their best choice.
  8. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Here's a glimmer of hope, The Muppets was only available in 94% of areas, that means 6% didn't get to see it. You never know, that 6% could have been the majority of muppet viewers.
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  9. Muppet Master

    Muppet Master Well-Known Member

    Well at least ABC hasn't given up on advertising, because here is the promo for the next episode.

    Looks like Camilla's back.
  10. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    Also the Newsman is back.
  11. jobi71

    jobi71 Well-Known Member

    A few more quick thoughts about what I hope can happen in the next five episodes. First of all there are 5, so about 100 minutes of content? Maybe a bit less. So I will try to be realistic.

    1. Gonzo and Camilla: What's up? Looks like that will be addressed next week.
    2. Fozzie and Becky: I would at least like a check in or reference to see how they are doing.
    3. Sam and Janice: I don't really need to see anything more. The kiss is the Christmas episode was sweet and well earned. If they want to show a scene where Sam or Janice is being kind to the other then that's fine, but I don't need a lot of more scenes.
    4. Kermit/Piggy/Denise: However this triangle may end (or end as a cliff hanger) I would like to see none of the three be a villain. It looks like they are trying to avoid this route.

    Including the supporting cast:
    1. Uncle Deadly, Big Mean Carl, Yolanda, Sam, Bobo, Janice and Scooter (minus some of the Mom jokes please) have been used perfectly. Also (very minor note) Beautiful Day Monster in each appearance (maybe 3 times?) is always peering around corners looking into the camera. I love it.
    2. Pepe and Rizzo: I sometimes think more and I sometimes think less. What I would like is a scene with Pepe, Rizzo and Gonzo writing for the show.
    3. Rowlf: More. I thought with him being the outsider maybe he would be the character the others would turn to for advice about work etc. So I would still like to see that dynamic (because if I would ever take a Muppet's advice it would be Rowlf). Now they say Vets' Hospital may come back - that would bring him into the fold as well.
    4. Everybody else: Overall great to excellent. It is tough to write for 30+ characters in a 20 minute sitcom.

    All the new changes:
    1. For me the new ending to the opening theme showed that they knew exactly what was missing from the show, and how to make it better.
    2. The new Up Late "bits" are good but can be better. I think of some of those Toyota ads a few years ago that had unscripted or seemingly unscripted bits with Muppets and regular folks. That is what these bits need to be. I am sure an actor or two may be needed to help shape or control the scene. An example and it is in no way perfect - A woman (an actress) is in a bakery complaining that her wedding cake is not ready. She could be the bride or the wedding planner or Ana Gasteyer. Regular patrons are cowered. The clerk (an actor/actress) is all apologies. Then The Swedish Chef emerges from the back, cake in hands, and propels it all over the complainer. Or Bunsen and Beaker being Tech Support at an Apple Store etc. Even people who do not watch the Muppets on ABC love the Muppets.
    3. They say Vets' Hospital is coming back. I say welcome.
    4. Statler and Waldorf have been awfully quiet. On the old Muppet Show, both Bruce Forsythe and Milton Berle dueled with the two using some old vaudeville routines. Let's get them involved. Some potential guest I am sure is funny and versed in heckling.

    The ratings and the future:
    1. The ratings are down. What can I say? People have poor taste.
    2. Ratings though are good in some key demographics. ABC/Disney has spent a bunch on The Muppets. They want them to succeed.
    3. The Muppets do extremely well on youtube and in all their guest appearances. So maybe this will lead to a second (possibly shorter) season or to more youtube content.
    4. Gosh I have included four notes in each section. Now I am making up as I go along. I want fruit that sings, chickens etc. I would like Peter Linz to have a voice role. I want a few neglected characters to appear. Robin, to me, is the most needed. But why not Marvin Suggs? Droop? (Peter could voice him). Zelda Rose? (Just me?)

    I know so much, if not all, of the work on the last five episodes are in progress, and that my advice is a bit late. But these are just thoughts and there are many that will allow The Muppets to end the season on a high note.
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  12. LouisTheOtter

    LouisTheOtter Well-Known Member

    I'm VERY encouraged by that promo - it's entertaining and eye-catching and packed with action. I was already looking forward to the actual episode and now I'm even MORE excited about it!

    It's a welcome change from the last round of promos, which suggested that the funniest line in the show was Kermit saying "Let me get you a robe" and that Piggy wearing a goofy Miley Cyrus outfit was enough to get people to tune in. More than once, I watched that promo and thought ABC was actually trying to discourage people from watching the show so they could cancel it.
  13. Hayley B

    Hayley B Well-Known Member

    Love it when Gloria Estefan went after Uncle Deadly's .

    DARTH MUPPET Well-Known Member

    was that Ian Ziering in the promo? If So that would be cool as I am a huge Ian Ziering fan !!!!!!!!!!!
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  15. LaRanaRene

    LaRanaRene Well-Known Member

  16. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    I do NOT want to see janice and sam do anything romantic when janice and floyd are the couple and have been for a very long time. I don't know why they' even made that pairing and feels forced and OOC for sam.
    I know valentines is coming up but I want to see floyd and janice do something together and NOT sam and janice.
    My opinion not changing it. meh whatever.
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  17. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    I liked this episode , and I will continue to watch as long as Chelsea handler doesn't return . if you want to know why I don't want to see her on the show again , just ask and I will be glad to explain why. and if you get offended about what I have to say about her, then oh well . if you heard all about the recent things that she said and did , plus things before that , then you would not be offended. so feel free to ask me . by the way it looks like to me that they are starting to get who the Muppets are.
  18. Ladywarrior

    Ladywarrior Well-Known Member

    what exactly did she do? I'm kind of ignorant with most celebrity antics so I am curious.
  19. scooterfan360

    scooterfan360 Well-Known Member

    well for one she accused bill cosby of trying to assault her, which I don't believe for one moment . because if it really did happened , she would have said something about it before now. now I know the accusers are just now coming forward ,but Chelsea is another case . you can't believe her because, she said that she can't remember all of it . plus you can tell in her voice, that she is lying and that she just said it to get attention . more proof that she lied about it , it would have been in the media more than it was, and she wouldn't have recently posed nude in a magazine if it was true . plus she said that Justin bieber try to hit on her, which is another lie . because she is way older than him , plus Justin looks like the type that would go for somebody his own age. not Chelsea. plus she turned her back on her friend, and now ****** off at her friend . because she spilled her guts to magazine's and talk show hosts, about how Chelsea treated her. which it had to be true , because she wouldn't got so ****** about it if it was not so.
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  20. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    And that is everything I never wanted to know about anything.
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