As for what the thread has become, the issue is very few of you guys actually know about the topics you bring up. In some cases one of you will post a news article without even reading the whole thing, thinking it proves your point, when it actually shows the opposite.
Myself and Muppetsrule actually do a little well thought research. We take in media from both sides. It is easy to rebut a person that hasnt even researched their own side.
It's a two-way street, though. There have been times where the rest of us do well-thought research of our own, but the reason you rebut is simply because you don't like the source it came from, because it's "too liberal" or "too biased."
This is what makes the well-thought research almost all for naught, because there's no guarantee you'll accept the source of which the research comes from. At least MuppetsRule has gotten better about this - there was a time he wouldn't accept
anything I linked, which, after a while, I just simply stopped citing my sources or linking articles, because it seemed pointless to do so.