- Mar 26, 2012
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That's the problem, TBH.Um ... I don't think that's true. Kids love Sesame Street. I know Sesame Street was the reason why I became a Muppet fan. A bold statement such as "kids don't like Muppets" is crazy. The majority of people will tell you that Muppets are for kids anyway.
And I wouldn't say this is true either. Most kids will watch whatever movie their parents put on for them, I don't think they really care if it's traditionally animated or CGI. CGI films are just the only type of animated movies being released now, so if you wanted to go to the movies with your kids, of course they will only watch Pixar style movies.
Yes, typically parents will sit a kid down to watch something that they enjoy and depending on the age (under 5 is better), most kids will enjoy whatever you let them watch because, duh, you're letting them watch TV, which for me at least, was a treat that was earned.
We don't have that now. Parents will basically put their kid in front of whatever device will hold their attention, be it a TV, a laptop, a smartphone, or a tablet. If Dora the Explorer, regardless on how terrible that show is, holds their three year old's attention and keeps them quiet, that's what a parent will do.
Now, I fully admit that I'm not a parent. But as some of you (depending if you follow me in the fan fic thread) know that I watched a friend's 2 then turned 3 year old a few year's ago. I got her watching the Muppets, Scooby Doo, Spongebob, and Walking with Dinosaurs because 1. that's what I was watching and 2. the compromise was that we'd watch something we'd both enjoy (read: what I would enjoy, which just happened to fit child requirements)
By far, her most requested things to watch were Muppet Babies, Spongebob, and Scooby Doo. She was also requesting that we listen to the news every morning because, again at the time, that was what I did.
So yes, you can get kids into watching quality television. The problem is, I'm sure after I left, the Muppet (which was the nickname she decided on) stopped watching the shows I liked and once again began watching whatever made her be quiet. Which is sad cause another month and she would've had Rainbow Connection down...
Anyway, we can't technically blame kids for their lack of interests, it's parents who aren't parenting that's the problem. I mean, how many kids hate veggies and fruits because they have in their heads they're gross, but after trying them, they love it?
To the point, I love being a part of the Muppets, especially on this board with so many awesome fans and yes, I do like that we're a fandom that pretty much accepts everyone cause that's the Muppet way, you know.Exactly, I don't want to be part of a fandom where if you're not a fan then you're not part of society, like you mentioned Marvel, Doctor Who, Harry Potter, etc, if you say you haven't seen a Doctor Who or read all the Harry Potters, people look at you from another planet.
But I also kinda wish that we were a bigger fandom, because look at what's been achieved by these big fandoms - Marvel has become a comic movie juggernaught, Harry Potter has it's own theme park, and Doctor Who is still going strong at 52 years. Now, with that said, I'm glad we aren't broken into segments - like Marvel comic fans vs movie fans or HP book fans vs movie fans (in these cases, it's one or the other - they're either fans of the books, hated the movies (or liked the movies, but still prefer the books) or they're movie fans who've never read the books/comics).
The same is true for Doctor Who - there are classic Who and modern Who fans, though really true fans have seen the entire run and may prefer one over the other.
Here, I've always gotten the sense that rather it's a movie or a TV show, we love ALL of it; now, in the case of this new show, we're divided (probably more so than I've ever seen here) and to me, at least, we've really gotten into a 'classic vs modern' mindset. Again, Doctor Who, Star Wars, and even Star Trek are great examples of this "if it's not like the original, then it's horrible" and I've seen people post that.
Now look, if you know me, you know I'm the last person to be in the middle and say I like originals better than the remakes, cause it all depends. I prefer TNG over the original series, but I defend to the death the original trilogy over the prequels; the overall point is that, for everyone who, let's face it hated this new show and format, it was mostly "this isn't the original Muppet Show I watched". And that's because it's not going to be and it never will as long as Jim Henson is dead.
Was this new show great? No. Could it be? Yes, as shown by the show getting better with later episodes. A lot of people aren't looking forward to a second season after this last one, but I'd like to point those folks to the first season of TMS, which is by far, the worst season. I'll also point to the first two seasons of TNG, the first seasons of Cheers, Seinfeld, Family Guy, Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and a bunch more.
Those shows, which are now classics, didn't start out being great and neither did TMS. TNG found it's stride, really, in season 3 and to be technical, it was the season finale that made it that way. Family Guy was cancelled, twice, before hitting it's stride around season 4 or 5. Now, granted, as someone mentioned, these shows were back in the days where comedies were given a chance, where as today, they would have been cancelled in a heartbeat.
My point - after this seemingly very long rant - is that, the fact that this first season was not only given extra episodes, but was retooled because of fan dislike shows that executives at least tried to fix it. I personally would love to see a season 2, which will hopefully take all of the feedback and suggestions and look at the episodes that performed well, and go from there. I'm not happy that Kermit & Denise had an invisible relationship that really just consisted on Kermit having this rebound girlfriend who appeared four times and then broke up with him.
As much as I'm not shipping those two, it would've been nice - would be nice - to see if Kermit learned anything from that experience before getting back together with Piggy (which I would guess would be a major theme in season 2). Anyway, I would much rather have a 30 Rock type atmosphere, which was basically TMS with real people and starring Tina Fey and Alec Baldwin (which OMG, if they don't have Tina Fey in the next season, that would be a travesty).
A second, better season would show not only the network, but the fans that the Muppets can survive the new modern world, but only if we as fans are watching it. Dismissing it because it's not TMS, is like saying you aren't going to go to any more Muppet movies because they aren't the original trilogy (MM,GMC, and MTM). Dismissing the show because the first season is uneven is different, however as RomanZ pointed out, we may not get another chance at Muppets if we don't do our part in at least checking out the show.
The other issue, for me at least, is cable. I don't have it, so I'm relying on Hulu to get my new season fixes. There are two problems with this - 1. Hulu's video interface is crap and their commercials are crap, especially when both work in tandem to not load the video that I'm paying to watch and 2. recently, Hulu & FX pulled a stunt where I can ONLY watch new seasons through a cable subscription (so I can either connect Hulu to my cable subscription or just go the channel's site, logging in with my subscription). This defeats the purpose of Hulu and then of course, puts me in the position of buying cable, which no. Or getting my shows through other means.
Now, I only know of FX doing this (which makes sense considering Hulu didn't even carry FX shows until like a year or two ago), but there's a chance that ABC could do it as well, meaning...no network viewing numbers. But do you know what could turn that around? Netflix. Netflix has proven to give life into a series or bring a series back (Clone Wars, Scandal, American Horror Story, Fuller House, Sword of Destiny); what could really help now would be Disney - which already has a deal with Netflix and why many Disney movies (sadly, all of the Muppet movies are gone) are streaming - getting with Netflix and getting the show the site.
Better interface and BIGGER numbers, not just of us, but other viewers.
If we got TMS (which most of the episodes are on YouTube) or even better, this show on Netflix, it could get better numbers considering that some people aren't watching cable, but have Netflix or even Amazon (which I don't recall seeing the show on their line-up); Hulu I don't think cuts it anymore, especially not when it's turning to cable subs for their programming, where Netflix and Amazon aren't AND, currently they also two of the best shows, EMMY nominated shows, on right now.
I would honestly rather see a Netflix Muppet movie than a theater one, but a good Muppet movie, not a rehash of one of their movies (like MMW) or based on something (MTI, MWO, MCC), something new; it could even tie in with the series (which I'd rather have and I think the series should've tied in with at least TM).
And again, Netflix has been proven effective. There were a lot of shows that I only knew about or saw on Netflix that has made me want to watch the current season (these are current shows, I'm saying). I didn't even know about Sherlock until I saw it on Netflix, nor the Blacklist (which I'm behind on); my newest show is Bob's Burgers, which I originally dismissed, despite being such a fan of Archer (Archer is another show I discovered on Netflix).
I also discovered 30 Rock this way.
Even Family Guy, American Dad, and Once Upon a Time are shows that I've gone back to catch up on before a season premiere. This would be a perfect vehicle for The Muppets to get new viewers, as well as for us to watch the show uninterrupted! and would really be good for (fingers crossed) upcoming seasons.
Okay, this was a much longer post than intended, but that's my thing and I'm done now. I promise!