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Frank Oz Talking ‘The Muppets,’ ‘Sesame Street’ and Dark Crystal Prequel

Discussion in 'Henson People' started by MrBloogarFoobly, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. MrBloogarFoobly

    MrBloogarFoobly Well-Known Member


    Some pretty damning comments from Oz on the handling of Henson properties:

    On Sesame:
    On The Muppets:
    On The Dark Crystal: Age of Resistance:

    Frank Oz pulls no punches.
  2. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    To be fair, he's been saying a lot of these things for years, particularly in regards to SS and the Muppets.

    But what he had to say about DC was interesting, because other people within the Henson organization - both past and present - continue to make a big deal, to this day, about how the original movie made such fantastic use of puppetry that you really don't see a lot of in movies anymore in this day of CGI and everything.
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  3. datman24

    datman24 Well-Known Member

    Oh gee, Frank Oz said something critical about the current state of the Muppets and now the internet news media is going berserk over it. In other news, the sky is blue.
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  4. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    I bet he loves how they said he "voiced" his characters.

    It's really shame this guy is a living genius/legend and neither SS nor the Muppets are using him; once he passes, they're gonna be looking around like a ghost went through the room.

    ... and he's on the money as usual.

    Peak Muppet ('70s-'80s) was a perfect storm, and it isn't coming back. :( :cry:
  5. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    I wish I could understand what he meant by "I don't think of puppets, I think of character".

    With this being the first real Dark Crystal production since its original release, I would think he'd be more okay with being involved, since it is harder to say that it's not true to the characters/franchise than it is about Muppets or Sesame Street.
  6. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    It's very confusing indeed. He's always complaining about the state of the franchises yet he has always turned down every offer given to him to come back and potentially give some input. He already blew his chance when he was offered to perform in The Muppets 2011 and now he has turned down the Dark Crystal. It's like he can't make up his mind--he wants to return but also doesn't want to. :coy:
  7. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    And he keeps saying that he never gets asked back.

    He says that Disney doesn't ask him to perform the Muppets even though he has said he was asked to be involved with the 2011 film, but I have a feeling that was more of an offer by Jason Segal/Nick Stoller/James Bobin than the Walt Disney Company. But then he has also said that Disney asked him to help come up with a Muppet movie when he pitched/rewrote The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made.
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  8. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    It’s like he’s not telling the whole truth and is just trying to make them look bad.

    If Frank really wanted to make a change with the Muppets, he should get off his duff, march into the Disney studio and demand to do something about it.

    It’s all so confusing... :confused:
  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    He wants more creative control. It's not just about preforming with these franchises he feels that he and the other prefomers should have more creative input. The way I understand what he said they either wanted him for voice over work, or puppeteer work, and not directing or anything to do with the creative process. He also he he has no ideas which would also mean, he does not know what to do with the characters.
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  10. Grumpo

    Grumpo Member

    Maybe Frank would like to return (after all, he was getting back to Sesame Street for as long as they let him) but being used to have control over his creations for many years, he's not ready to go through the mill -- like, having his ideas thrown out by people who think they know Muppets better than him, or being laid off for something he believes in. I'm pretty sure that if Mr Oz provided his honest comments on the set of muppets 2015 he would have been dismissed on the spot.

    Speaking of which, we know we are supposed to dislike Steve lately - some people were quite vocal about it. Now it seems we are turning on Frank. I'm a bit uneasy about where it all goes. After all, Mr Henson did not quite see eye to eye with Disney execs himself, right?
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  11. D'Snowth

    D'Snowth Well-Known Member

    Frank pushed for his treatment of THE CHEAPEST MUPPET MOVIE EVER MADE, but as I understand it, Jason Segel pushed his screenplay harder, and that's who Disney decided to go with.

    And it's not so much that Jim didn't see eye-to-eye with Disney, it's mainly that Jim had mostly done business in the past with handshakes and verbal agreements - which is what he was trying to do with Michael Eisner (and later came back to bite everyone in the butt when Eisner claimed their verbal agreement was enough for Disney to go ahead and start creating Muppet projects under their name after Jim's death, despite the deal never formally and legally being finalized on paper); Disney, on the other hand, was bringing in lawyers, negociators, and all sorts of other legal advisors with tons of paperwork and contracts and such that threw Jim into a whirlwind he wasn't necessarily prepared for. That, and there was also the issue of Eisner basically trying to steal the Sesame Muppets, which Jim excluded from the deal.
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  12. Blue Frackle

    Blue Frackle Well-Known Member

    He and Jim have always had this attitude that they were never really crazy about puppetry and that it kind of chose them... some of the stuff he says I don't understand either, but I trust him since he's so on the money with other things.

    Too true! :D

    To me, Frank is one of us, and our representative; he just wants what is best for the characters.
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  13. minor muppetz

    minor muppetz Well-Known Member

    Frank Oz said in his interview for The Muppet Mindset last year that he can't just go to Disney, tell them he's one of the original/long-running Muppet performers, and pitch an idea that he thinks is right (unless he can show evidence that it will make a big profit).
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  14. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I wonder if Debbie McClellan ever thought of asking him herself. Frank has a high opinion of her anyway.

    Debbie is the boss of The Muppets Studio and has that kind of power, after all.
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  15. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    If only Frank would go about it all in a more constructive and professional manner and not go about insulting everything the Muppets have done since he stepped down and the people who worked on them.
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  16. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    How is calling the puppeteers "his brothers" putting them down?
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  17. Duke Remington

    Duke Remington Well-Known Member

    I was mostly referring to the writers, directors, producers, etc. involved in those projects.
  18. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well as far as those folks are concerned they are what we call outsiders, and basically fans of the Muppets who don't understand the purity or understand the depth of the characters. Frank has said they have good intentions, but simply do not understand the characters. He also feels that the performers should have more creative input. Which is how it was when Jim was alive.
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  19. MuppetSpot

    MuppetSpot Well-Known Member

    Also I remember of the old ask Jim Lewis thread, Frank enjoyed some of the projects he did with them
  20. Grumpo

    Grumpo Member

    Not really. Having a less-than-favorable opinion of a media production and telling people where they got it wrong does not exactly qualify as "insulting". If anyone is entitled to have his own opinion on Muppets, it's Frank Oz.

    More info on Frank's involvement: https://muppet.fandom.com/wiki/Why_doesn't_Frank_Oz_perform_with_the_Muppets_anymore?
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