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  1. Epictetus

    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    No, you don't.
  2. Epictetus

    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    I didn't like it because I think it's bad. I've given arguments for why I think so. You are free, as an independent mind, to find those arguments persuasive or unpersuasive. That's the way life works. It seems kinda hypocritical to acknowledge that Rotten Tomatoes is no certain meter of...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    Yes, everything that is popular is good!
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    Johnny Fiama & Sal The Monkey Appreciation Thread

    I only really know them from their bit in Muppets From Space, but it's one of my favorite jokes from the movie. My wife and I quote it pretty much every time we're around cake. (A happily frequent occurrence.) "Hey, who cut this cake?"
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    Best New Muppet Poll

    Gotta go with Bobo. I quote him constantly, most frequently whenever someone asks where a given remote is. "...the goat?" Also gold: "Can't this go any faster?!" "I'm doin' thirty!"
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    Ah, fair enough. I certainly don't have any of that context. Well, my hope for you is that you're able to enjoy it somewhat, but that you see where I'm coming from with my comments. Then I'd get some gratifying validation, but you'd still have a good time with the Muppets at the movies. Let us...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    Drtooth, I applaud your South Park knowledge! Yeah, the Simpsons Did It joke is interesting, and relevant to the question of old jokes. I disagree with your interpretation of the episode, though: I think Parker and Stone are dealing with their frustration at how difficult it can be to come up...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    I don't agree to that! (Speaking of old jokes.) Seriously, though. If you're frustrated, you have only yourself to blame. You're mad because I wasn't promptly persuaded by you? Buck up, my friend: you will have many discussions in life where you fail to persuade the other person. And it's not...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    Nope: my point is that the mere fact that you laughed at the jokes does not prove that they're good ones. You need better arguments for that. Happily, in your next paragraph, you supply some better arguments. I make no assumptions about your sense of humor. Since you're a Muppet fan in...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    *crazy Kermit celebration arms!*
  11. Epictetus

    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    Nope, it just means that if something's so bad it's funny, the joke is ON the creator, not by them! :p
  12. Epictetus

    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    False. That is one possible meaning. What it necessarily means is that there is a discussion to be had about how to evaluate the quality of jokes. The fact that this is a difficult and monumental task is what makes it worth doing.
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    I remember another joke I got from a Rice Krispies box when I was about five or six: Q: Why do tigers live in the jungle? A: Because they hate city traffic! I cannot imagine what I thought was funny about this joke, but it cracked me up. (This is merely further proof that not all that is...
  14. Epictetus

    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    That's legitimate. It's a point of personal curiosity to figure out what it is about MFS that set so many people's teeth on edge so quickly, but you're right that there's a murky swamp of simple preference to navigate in so doing. Maybe another time.
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    See my response to Drtooth on this point. Well, let's examine this argument. Is anything that any one human being will laugh at a "decent joke"? If I can find some human being somewhere on earth who'll laugh at something, is it automatically good? I will grant you that it must be, in some...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    I found all your other arguments interesting and well worth reading: I wish you hadn't included these fallacies by mass-appeal. I doubt you really think I'm wrong simply because no one here (I'll take your assertion at face value) happens to agree with me. If you did, you wouldn't have bothered...
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    Frank Oz worked on a new Muppet movie script

    It's nice to read some discussion of the film from folks who know more about Muppets history and context. I had an extremely negative reaction to the new film and was, frankly (pun intended), relieved to find that Frank Oz and, apparently, some of the other folks from Henson studios, had...
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