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I get your point, but it's Whitmire not whitmere.

This keeps coming up everyone and it really annoys me. Yes, Jim wanted to sell the muppets to Disney BUT he wanted Full creative control. His kids just put them in a truck and sent them to the mouse.

Sorry @p Guess you have a point. But I do think he wouldn't have taken sides.

The fact that Steve didn't want to refute the Henson children out of respect for Jim really puts Jim's children to shame.

Exactly! There were episodes of the muppet show where Kermit was bitter and mean, especially to Gonzo. Has she even seen the show? Either that, or she just said some random words in the moment.

I really don't know how things work, but MMW made $51 million in the United states and Canada & $80 million worldwide on a $50 million budget. Counting all the money they spent on promotion and all the money they made on DVD sales, I'd say they probably broke even or made a bit of profit...

And they almost always seem to be Jerry Nelson characters.

Ha ha. Looks like I made a thread a little while back and didn't see this one. YES! I watched all the episodes a little while back on Hulu. Don't know why I didn't check it out earlier, amazing show. That finale was just mind-blowing.

Sorry if there's already a thread for this (probably is), but just curious to hear about your collections. Here's what I have VHS The Muppet Movie (1993, Buena Vista) The Great Muppet Caper (1984, CBS/Fox Reissue) The Great Muppet Caper (1993, Buena Vista) The Muppets Take Manhattan (1999...

Not sure if I ever talked you or if you left well before I came to these forums. Anyways, welcome back fellow rowlf fan.

Agreed. I used to come here regularly back in 2014ish, but mostly drifted away for many reasons. Regardless, this is a great forum and I love posting here.

But he said he should have fired him in the mid 90's. If it were a minor problem, he wouldn't have minded. I still find it fishy that after all this time, it took until now for him to fire Steve I honestly "felt" like it was real for a good minute.

Weird. It still airs constantly on my station. Seems to be the only "classic" Pbs kids show airing aside from SS and Arthur.

I got to watching The Muppets 2011 today, and it's still great. I mostly managed to not think about the behind-the-scenes turmoil and thoroughly enjoyed the film. And frankly, while I'm super sad for Steve, I'm so happy how everyone is back on this forum (at least temporarily). This forum was...

It really sucks that they dropped the classic episodes. Anyways, it's still prominent on my station, so I don't think it's coming to an end. Even if it does, they'll still probably air reruns forever a la Clifford the big red dog. Seriously, that show hasn't made a new episode in 14 years and...

YES! This is exactly why I can't take Brian's words seriously. If it were the mid-90s and Steve was being a terrible, horrible person who was ruining the muppets and was an awful performer, why not replace him? It had only been a couple years, the internet wasn't around. How many people would...

After tons of flip-flopping, I feel like I'm still siding with Steve on this. Disney wanted to shut him up and make him say he retired, but he decided to tell his story. I respect that.

I think you just answered your own question. If you didn't pay much attention to the puppeteers, it wouldn't matter much. I read Jim's bio and learned a lot about Steve and I almost felt like I was alongside them. I always imagined that the performers and everyone got along harmoniously, so it's...

I also don't think we should blindly support anyone with the henson last name. And I'm pretty sure mostly everyone is in full support of Matt.

Ya, I don't think he really performed with Steve outside of MCC. Maybe that's part of the reason why he left the muppets.