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I’m still not sure how this fits into the Steve Whitmire debate. But Frank Oz, like the late Jim Henson, is a great man.

Sometimes it can be a combination of the scripts that are written and how the performer chooses to say them. The same things can be said in many different ways. On some TV shows, they used the same pilot script with different actors until they found the ones that recited the lines the best way.

The Hensons are decent people. I don’t believe they would ever do that. I think some people are reading too much into this. It was basically creative and artistic differences. Naturally, the one who was dismissed is going to see things differently than the ones who let him go. Still...

I'm sure they'll work it out eventually.

Telly was more about anxiety than depression. He took the simplest thing and worried about it until it reached an absurd worst-case-scenario. It’s what made his character very, very funny too.

I think he was saying the original Muppets under Jim got the balance just right: Not too nice, not too mean.

It’s not that a depressed character is necessarily bad, it’s just a question of whether it fits the personality of that character. Disney got the character of Eeyore and his depression just right, but if they tried to make Winnie The Pooh or Christopher Robin act that way, it would seem all...

Anyone could have to fire someone depending on the circumstances.

Yes, like the Muppets themselves, we must be cute and sweet, not rebellious with conflict.

Yes, it is always easier when disagreements with the most popular opinions are kept out of sight.

That could actually be happening. Now that it's all out in the open, they might be rethinking it based on the reactions.

Best example of Oscar with an accent: -

The best was when Sesame Street didn’t parody songs, but sang the actual songs with Muppet visuals.

Yeah, life goes on.

Good.

Even Sesame Workshop doesn't listen.

I will say this: Sid and Marty Krofft had enough business smarts to take on McDonald's and win. The reason why you haven't seen characters like Mayor McCheese and Officer Big Mac at McDonalds for decades is because they were ruled to be copyright infringements of the Krofft characters.

I guess it depends on how you define commercial success. Because Jim's characters have certainly better stood the test of time over the decades. Sid and Marty's work, though great, appears to have been virtually forgotten except in specific circles. I wonder if all of the members here even...

Hmmm… I’m a HUGE fan of Sid and Marty Krofft’s work, but I don’t see where they were more commercially successful than Jim Henson. The Muppets have outlasted them in merchandise, time, and popularity. Even a non-muppet fan knows Kermit and Miss Piggy, but sometimes it’s a struggle to convince...

But, they are also adding someone with a lot of knowledge.