Respectful Politics Thread (Let's Just See)

fuzzygobo

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For women who are "pro choice", you also have the choice not to sleep around with any old guy who brings you home from a bar.
For the argument that kids in foster homes are sexually abused, just as many kids are abused by their biological parents, but stories like this get reported less often.

An even bigger problem that doesn't get addressed, especially in the black community, is the lack of a father figure in a child's life.
A lot of women sleep around, get pregnant, but when the baby is born the father is not around. This tends to lead to a high percentage of abortions, children put in foster care or ( most noble of all, but still not a perfect solution) the mother being the single parent. This was once an overwhelmingly black problem, but more and more white cases in recent years.
A child needs BOTH parents. Without a strong father figure, and this crosses lines of both gender and race, children are more likely to fall behind in school, commit crime, and ultimately end up in jail.

Progressives are highly aligned with identity politics. There's an intersectional hierarchy, where the higher up you are, the more you can claim victim status, and the more say you should have in public policy, government entitlements, etc. The hierarchy looks like this:

LGBT
Blacks
Native Americans
Women
Hispanics
Asians
Whites/Males
The further down you are, the more responsibility you bear for all the inequalities in society.
Which means Joe Biden or Bernie might be the best shot the Democrats have, but just the idea of having another old white man in office, that's a conflict of interest.
If Kamala Harris was a lesbian, she'd have the 2020 presidency in her pocket.
Beto shot himself in the foot apologizing for his white privilege, for being in politics while his wife single handedly raised their kids ( but unrepentant about smoking weed).
Elizabeth Warren, the jig is up. After decades of claiming Native American status to raise her station in life, the crap hit the fan.
 
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There's an intersectional hierarchy, where the higher up you are, the more you can claim victim status, and the more say you should have in public policy, government entitlements, etc. The hierarchy looks like this:

LGBT
Blacks
Native Americans
Women
Hispanics
Asians
Whites/Males
hwat
 

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Well there certainly is a lot to unpack there....

Intersectionality is a real concept. It goes hand in hand with the idea of privilege. There are several "tests" used in sociology classes that ask various questions to determine your "privilege".

Its not really a "hierarchy", more like a venn diagram. The idea being that a straight able bodied white male has the most privileges, and any other combination of categories has less. A black female faces more oppression than a white female, etc.

I dont agree with it. I think the questions many of them use depend are where you live. For example, one of the questions usually asks if you usually are around people of your own race when you go out in public. For me the answer is no. Does that mean as a white male I have less privilege now? The whole concept is just crazy for modern society.
 

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I was watching an episode of the 70s ODD COUPLE, in which tennis champ Bobby Riggs guest-starred, and not only did the show play up his misogynistic views towards women (such as his professional rival Billie Jean King), but it was also played for laughs - even when he made Felix's girlfriend Miriam cry with insensitive remarks. Of course, Bobby and Oscar just shrug all of it off with a sort of "nothing personal" mentality, but Felix stands up for the defense of not just Miriam or Billie Jean King, but basically for all of womankind in general.

It seems harmless enough, and I've no doubt that it seemed especially harmless for the 1970s, but you know there's no way in Elmo the feminists and MeToo women would allow any show to play up a man's misogynistic views for laughs today - at least not with a tremendous amount of outcry and backlash.
 

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Funny you should mention that. On tv this week they're doing a live reboot of All in the Family and The Jeffersons.
All in the Family was iconic for the portrayal of Archie Bunker as a racist pig. But as the series went on it showed depth in the other characters. Edith was more than just a dingbat, Gloria was more than just Daddy's little girl, and Mike Stivic, for all his liberal views, was just as stubborn and closed minded as Archie.
By the end of the series, so many grew to love Archie, as his character matured and he began seeing the harm his bigoted thinking caused.

I wonder if this reboot is being done for laughs, for nostalgia, or if we can really take something away from it.

And Norman Lear, in his 90s and still kicking, will he be watching?
 

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That was such a movement too, at the time. Up until then, the television landscape was almost always as squeaky clean as possible since more people watched TV as families back then. Now, of course, a lot of shows would engage in subtle innuendo from time to time when characters are getting romantic with each other, but obviously, you couldn't actually show any "activities" as it were, aside from just kissing . . . even up until the mid-60s, you couldn't show a married couple in the same bed. But the thing to keep in mind is that the 1960s were a very tumultuous decade, with the Civil Rights Movement, the war in Vietnam, assassinations, among other horrors of everyday life, television was pretty much a means of escape for people, which is why, particularly in the mid and late 60s, most prime time TV shows were so fantastic, kooky, and way out like BEWITCHED or I DREAM OF JEANNIE.

By the early 70s, however, audiences wanted more socially-conscious programming, which is how we ended up with shows like THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW, ALL IN THE FAMILY, SANFORD AND SON, THE JEFFERSONS, M*A*S*H, and more. It also helped that back then, we weren't so overly sensitive and easily offended by things . . . nowadays, Millennials are dismissing many of these shows as being offensive, regardless of them being "a product of their time." Like, seriously, BEWITCHED is "offensive" and "sexist" because of Darrin's rule over Samantha and forcing her to give up her magical powers . . . despite the fact that if you actually watch the show, it was Samantha's choice to give up her powers to live the mortal life because she loved Darrin so much.
 

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And so it begins: prices in grocery stores are rising because of the tariff wars. Thanks, Trump.
 

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If you're buying groceries that were made or grown in this country, how can you pay tariffs on them?
 

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And so it begins: prices in grocery stores are rising because of the tariff wars. Thanks, Trump.
And who do you blame for the rise in prices for groceries during the President Obama years? I suppose President Trump was somehow to blame for that as well.

https://www.thebalance.com/why-are-food-prices-rising-causes-of-food-price-inflation-3306099

The truth of the matter is that price increases in groceries are due to any number of things, including, but not limited to, the tariff wars, but also increase demand world wide, fuel costs which increase the cost of shipping, the weather and the recent flooding in the midwest, etc.
 
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