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Will There Be News From Toy Fair 2009?

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by beaker, Feb 16, 2009.

  1. Mister Hoggoth

    Mister Hoggoth New Member

    It's sad really the whole toy market. It really just boils down to movies and toons. Muppets are now seen really as collectable items, thus that moves them into the deadly and expensive collectable market. Which as we have seen is really hard for Muppets. Look at the MR Muppet replica's as a good example. I bought all 3 of mine new for $450. I can't believe the Fraggle Rock DVD collection is now on sale for only $60 dollars, down from $120!

    And as for the new toys that are successful like Transformers. They are being totally changed and developed into there movie counterparts and away from their original G1 (generation 1) roots. Sorry, but I kinda like the more human appeal and look that the 80's toys and cartoon provided than the Michael Bay "Armageddon" look and feel, but I'm 37 and not 10 :sympathy: I saw from the ToyFare report online that the new Devastator toy alone will be $100! And I bet every kid in town will be pestering there mom and dad for it! Just goes to show what a movie can do for a brand!
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    That stinks!

    As every Target, Walmart and Best Buy in my area carries every single Muppet, Fraggle Rock, and Bear dvd(as well as all the Sesame dvds) Only ones I don't see out for sale anymore is Muppets with Ed Sullivan(unauthorized) and Muppet Family Christmas. But both the individual Fraggle dvds for $6(that come with Fraggle animated episodes), the box sets and the big giant full set are out at most the stores I see

    It is very tragic that there's been LITTLE effort by companies to reestablish the Muppets(as well as Fraggle Rock) for children/tween viewing on cable or elsewhere.

    Im very happy that growing up in the early to late 80's, and even through the 90's(I had a long childhood! heh) the Muppets were always on even regular non cable tv. While I always hated how Fraggle Rock was on HBO, the original Muppet Show was in syndication for years on regular tv where I lived.

    In 1981 I was able to catch the final episodes of the original series, and around that time began actively collecting anything Muppet/Sesame related(Corgi cars, fisher price, etc) A few years later when I was older, I was able to appreciate the show even more when it was on reruns.

    I also became a huge fan of Muppet Babies, as well as Sesame Street. Saw all the Sesame movies(Dont Eat The Pictures, Big Bird In China, etc) Was able to catch Fraggle Rock now and then at friend's houses in grade school.

    And I am *so* thankful I got to see Muppet Family Christmas *and* Jim Henson Hour on tv when they originally aired. As well as the ABC run of Muppets Tonight.
    (People find it odd when I say Ive been a hardcore Muppet fan/collector since 1981 as I still look about 20)

    But where's the Muppets on tv? We have regular guest appearances on day time talk shows and night talk shows, sure.
    But Bear in the Big Blue House is no longer on in any form, neither is the Muppet show. Or Fraggle Rock.

    So much time has passed, that its no wonder that Disney and JHC have pretty much lost the child/tween demographic with
    their non Sesame properties.
  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    I just turned 31, going on 10 and I too am not pleased with the direction Transformers has turned. I HAAAAATE the look/feel of "transformers animated", the "transformers" movies look nothing resembling transformers(tho I kinda dig Bumblebee)

    Heck I remember when Transformers toys had actual metal!
    Now just to get a replica of Optimus Prime, it's like $75 at Target or Walmart. crazyness.

    And yeah, sadly the only Muppet/Fraggle stuff we'll be seeing is the NECA era "collectors" stuff sold in the ill fated FYE/Sam Goody/Suncoast mall stores.

    And ebay, my goodness, prices for old figures has skyrocketed. Try finding video game related action figures from the past, even an out of the package Crash Bandicoot figure will set you back $80.
  4. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh I certainly was not referring to specialty stores. I LOVE those kind of stores. There's one near me that specializes in vintage action figures called Toy Fusion(tho I was able to get an MOC variant Uncle Deadly and MOC Sweetums combined for $20)

    But I was referring to the overall prices of figures. There's no longer price dips for major retailers. The replica 1988 TMNT figure line goes for $9 each at Target.

    I wish there was more specialty stores, and will totally have to check out your shop next time im in SF soon.
  5. Mister Hoggoth

    Mister Hoggoth New Member

    I am surprised Disney has taken the Muppets down the Transformers route! They have with Mickey to a great success in the collectors market as usual! Here is Mickey Optimus Prime!
    http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/new-images-of-transformers-mickey-mouse-optimus-prime/15004/

    Just think a Gonzo Megatron! A Robin Bumblebee! Dr. Teeth as Soundwave and the band members all he's "cassettes"! And you know what? They would sell beyond belief especially in Japan. Amazing...
  6. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Uh... the Muppets outside of Sesame Street characters (and to some extent the Fraggles) are virtually unknown in Japan. I don't think that would work at all.

    Tell me about it. I go to specialty chains in MA all the time. And the funny thing is, they sell DVD's cheaper than even Best Buy half the time... not as cheap as Target, though... but sometimes I found insane clearance prices. I got the first (and only) Heathcliff DVD box set for 15 bucks... and I almost picked up the cartoon version of Carman SanDiego for 4 bucks. And these places have REAL Japanese blind box figures... FROM Japan with Japanese characters.

    There is and was NO call for selling re molded TMNT for 10 bucks each. They aren't moving at all in my area. And they didn't even have to resculpt anything. 7 bucks, I'd understand... but 10? I see some of the unsold TMNT product at TJ Maxx and Marshalls for 5 bucks each. And these are the oversized, overpriced movie figures too.
  7. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    That really needs to be remedied. Maybe Disney should re edit the old Muppet films out of sequence so they don't make sense, add some motion graphics, Japanese techno pop music and the Muppets would be an instant hit in Japan! I am joking, of course, but I actually think it would work. How much does Disney want to sell the toys?
  8. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Dude, you do know they LOVE Sesame Street, right? And the original American version a LOT more than the Japanese co-production. And there was a breif period when they got Fraggle Rock. I don't think that they've been properly introduced to the Muppet Show... I've heard they got some Muppet movies, but I wouldn't be too sure how many and if they got theatrical releases.

    That said, a Big Bird Transformer.... that would be huge.
  9. Mister Hoggoth

    Mister Hoggoth New Member

    If you make ANYTHING into a Transformer, they will buy it in Japan! I was in Asia on business several years ago and went to several speciality Toy stores in Thailand specializing in Robot/Transformer/Godzilla toys. The variety was amazing, but what surprised me the most was the cost! These toys ranged from $5 to several $1000. I saw a special addition wind-up MechaGodszilla for $2000. I asked the store owner who buys that kind of toy and he told me he has already sold 4 of them. They really do love there robot/sci-fi toy culture.
  10. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I still think my idea would work. :coy: Japan is one of the few major places where they find no need for a personalized educational Sesame Street program. Sesame gets by with its universal humor and simplicity of style. I'm not sure how the Muppet Show brand would go over there? I can see a cute anime cartoon of the Muppets doing remarkably well in Japan. How does Fraggle Rock fare over there? :confused:
  11. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Im not much a fan of "Disneyana", but I have to say that Mickey/Optimus Prime playset is one of the coolest things Ive seen Disney wise next to the Star Wars Muppets figure set.
  12. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Haha, I go to my local Marshalls to get cheap gourmet coffee and chocolates, and I saw cheap TMNT playsets.

    Man I really miss the 2003-"Fast Forward" playmates figures. They've just ran out of milage completely with the TMNT 2007 movie likenesses. Im surprised they even have shelve space anymore.

    Btw, I have to disagree, I think a Muppets/Transformers thing would be glorious. Though that would be too obscure for folks...then again, Japan is known for random obscurity.

    Btw, if you want the absolute cheaptest dvds, I suggest http://www.half.com :)

    Also Dr Tooth, you so gotta get the Dilbert boxset, which has all 30 episodes from the 1999-2000 series. It's just one of the most amazing animated series Ive seen, next to Invader Zim.
  13. Mister Hoggoth

    Mister Hoggoth New Member

    Totally off topic, but I would love to have a puppet of Zim and especially Gir!
  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Let's not forget one thing... cultural divide. Here's something... Tiny Toons was pretty popular over there (though they didn't air the entire series) but Animaniacs was a flop. But you know what American cartoon was rediculously popular, possibly even moreso than here? Wacky Races. I've seen so many animes reference it, it's not even funny. And of course Snoopy is also huge over there (mainly cuz he's so kawaii). I still don't know to the capacity that The Simpsons is popular... mainly because the Japanese had a similar show that has been around on and off since the early 70's (Tensai Bakabon ... look it up. The similarities are frightening. They even have a goofy cop). Then of course, there's stuff insanely popular in Japan that the US haven't and will never get. Doraemon? You can't punt a football without seeing his big blue head over there...

    But Disney stuff? Trust me on this one... over half the Japanese products I've seen at Korean grocers and indie comic retail chains were Disney based. Blind box figures, large figures, candy toy products... I've even seen Mickey on rice seasoning mix. Sometimes I wonder if Asia and especially Europe (where Scrooge McDuck comics are really huge, or so I'm told) care more about Disney's classics than we do.


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