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Discussion in 'Henson People' started by Kimp the Shrimp, Jan 1, 2006.
Can u see another person doing big bird or oscar
Actually, I believe they have been training someone
From what I understand, they have been training someone to take over for Carol when he retires. But its also very possible they will simply try to retire them for good. (From what I understand, Elmo's had his eye on "Journey to Ernie" for quite some time now. Of course, then it would have to be changed to "Journey to Elmo". JK) But seriously, I do think someone else has been in training for quite a while, and has even done some stand-ins for Carol as BB. I don't know if he did the voice, too, or if he just did the costume while carol did the voice, though. I don't know if anyone has been training as Oscar. But, as long as they did the voices close enough to the way Carol does them, yes I could see someone else doing them. At least it would keep the characters alive!
From what I understand, Matt Vogel's in-line to take over Big Bird, while John Tartaglia is in-line to take over Oscar the Grouch.
If they permenantly retired Big Bird and Oscar, do you really think Sesame Street would live on?
Where did you hear about Spinney retiring?
Well, it's kinda obvious, I mean he's past legal retiring age, and plus, they've been having alot more of Matt's Big Bird lately.
just because he's past retirment age doesn't mean it will happen in the near future so why even worry about it till it;s announced?
These days, who knows?
These days, with as many classic muppets as I have seen "bite the dust" in order to make way for the "new generation", I'd say anything is possible. For the longest time, SS stayed pretty much the same. So much so that it gave alot of us die-hard fans a false sense of security. That's why, when they suddenly changed the format just 4 years ago, it took most of us completely by surprise! I remember standing in front of the T.V. and literally thinking "What the heck........?!!!!" I saw all these muppet faces I didn't even recognise, all these new animated clips that hit me as totaly revolting, and almost nothing that I could actually remember or relate to. I felt as though my "special place" had been totally turned upside down and defaced!
Could SS live on without Oscar and Big Bird? With all these drastic changes I've witnessed in just 4 years, I'm sad to say it but, yes, I truely believe that SW WOULD make it happen, one way or another. Think about it: when you say "Sesame Street" to kids these days, who is the first character most kids think of? Elmo! Not Big Bird or Oscar. And with as many Elmo fanatics as we now have out there, the transition would probably go smooth and easy. Heck, you could show an entire month of episodes that don't show Oscar or Big Bird, and kids these days would never even notice they were gone. And to me, that is truely sad. And it's not paranoia speaking here, it's simple present-day reality.
Well, you have to admire Carroll's dedication. I mean he continues with Big Bird because he wants to, not because he's required too. Unlike Frank Oz who could still perform his characters if he wanted to, but now is pursuing other projects.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with that. With all the focus on Elmo, Zoe, Telly and Baby Bear, there might be a point where they feel that BB and are no longer needed. Hopefully that won't happen for a long time. Especially with Matt and John around to take over Carroll's characters whenever he's gone.
I too hope that the characters are kept after Carroll retires. My daughter is 14 months old, and seems to like the "classic" puppets more than the new ones. Infact, she usually falls asleep during Elmo's World!
My kids loose interest, too, and I've heard similar statements all over the internet. In light of all this, I would really like to know where SW get's off saying "Elmo" and "his world" are still the #1 choice of all kids everywhere! I would also like to know what these results were being based against: the Classic Characters, or a blank screen!
Carroll's pending retirement
I've heard him say on tv specials, and mention in print, Carroll would like to continue to perform Big Bird and Oscar for as long as he's able to. I really admire his dedication. He's 72, and his devoted over half his life to Sesame Street. Unfortunately, we're ALL getting older, and sometime (hopefully not for a long time) the day will come when he can't perform any more. In the meantime, let's enjoy the moments he still can bring these characters to life.
Bless you, Carroll. You have been Big Bird and Oscar for a lifetime. Our lifetime.
Yep I hope never to see BB or Oscar go. I love them so much that I wouldn't be able to watch any other episodes unless Oscar or Big Bird were in them to say. I wish Carroll to keep going on and on until he can't hold that poor birds head up any longer. We all Love you too much to lose your characters. Keep it up.
Oscar and BB, as well as Ernie, Bert and Grover are ALL icons! So here's to hoping they stay on the street, which I am sure they will. Until it becomes fact, it's all rumors.
well since they didn't retire Ernie after Jim died they're probably not going to going to elimimate them so let's not continue to drag this on.
I don't think anyone is trying to drag on, speculating when will Carroll retire.
I'm sure we're all aware it will happen sometime. But Carroll has managed to capture a special place in many people's hearts (not just mine) with his characters. He's the only Muppeteer who has been with the show from the beginning (Jerry Nelson running a close second) and it would be quite a sad day when he can't perform anymore. Like I said, I hope he still has a lot of good years to go.
I think most people on this post are just sharing the sentiment that for someone to do something he loves, and make other people happy doing so, for as long as he has, is really special, and you really don't find that every day. I know reality dictates that someday he won't be playing Big Bird and Oscar anymore. But you can't help be amazed at what he's accomplished.
I'll get off my soapbox now. Thank you for your time.
Carroll Spinney is, indeed an amazing person. I mean, how many people do you know, who are over the age of 70, and are still able to do half the things he is able to? I know people say that doing things that children enjoy doing is one way to stay young, and I've heard Carroll say that being Big Bird and Oscar, while very physically demanding, is probably the main reason he is as healthy and active as he is today. For him, it's as if Sesame Street is his own personal "Fountain of Youth". Having something like that, it's no wonder he has said he will continue to play these characters untill he can simply no longer hold them up anymore.
I truely think SW has pushed it's envelope to the max by retiring as many classic muppets as they allready have. And although they may have the influential power to do it, I still like to believe that, if they ever did try to retire Big Bird and/or Oscar, there would be enough people outraged by it that SW would quickly reconcider their decision.
Well, a few things: 1)Since the start of the 33rd season, the producers of the show said that they will be focusing on the core classic characters more often. 2)Big Bird and Oscar, are core classic characters, and 3)Therefore there is no chance of the two characters being written out. Secret SQuirrel said that Matt is subbing for both characters whenever Caroll is busy or not on set(and from what I read somewhere, John Tartaglia performed Oscar in SS4DMM)
So generally nothing to worry about.
I may be way off base........
I may be way off base here, but wasn't the beginning of season 33 when the new format took off?
Carroll Spinney most likely never will retire. When he does pass on, which probably won't be for another 10 or 15 years. He already has back up muppeteer's Matt Vogel and John Tartilliga as performers for his 2 charachters. It will be the same thing as Eric Jacobson taking over for Frank Oz. Notice that most actors usually perform right up until their deaths, because a lot of physical work isn't usually required with acting.
I am going to agree with that. Frank only retired since, because of the projects, he hasn't the passion he once had for Muppetry. He still does a great job when he wants to do it, but even in the late 80's (just before Henson's passing) you could see less and less of his involvement. Jerry STILL works on SS, but he's getting on in years, and he has been under the weather lately, so he'd probably retire for good in a few years.
Carol has all the love of puppetry he ever had, at least from my understanding of the energy he gave, even at his book signing. He'd be one to perform until he passes, or at least gets very very ill.
Several years (maybe much much more) when he does stop performing one way or the other, they will have had an eventual continuer (I'm guessing since Henson and Hunt's passings they don't want to scramble for a recast of anyone) for Oscar and Big Bird.
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