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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by wherestheanykey, Mar 18, 2009.
nope he aint talkin.
Where did the speculation come from?
Well it came from a source that I have some faith in. Amy who is a member of this forum, and artist for the Peter Pan Muppet comic said she heard about it. So I don't know take it for what you will, after we all heard about it we have asked Jim in several different ways about this, and so far he has pleaded the Fith if you know what i mean.
I was excited about Segel's script but now that I know Jim Lewis may have a script out there. I am torn I dont know which way to go. HELP ME!
Well back when Letters to Santa was being filmed I e mailed Jim and told him how i was torn about him not being involved. He told me that even though it was not his baby that he just hoped that the Muppets where funny, and I think the same could be said about Seagl's movie. Jim is really all about the funny, and the trueness of the Muppets. the heart. I think if Segal will be about the same things then the movie will be fine.
We have seen in the past however what happens when we get people writeing or dercting for the Muppets that have no clue what they are doing. Lets hope that this is not one of them.
Thats part of my concern. I was excited about Segal because I thought he was the only one out there writing anything. Don't get me wrong. I think he is very talented and very funny, but he is just a Muppet writing virgin.
Mr. Lewis is a seasoned veteran and while he has not worked on a movie in a few years, we know that he knows our Muppets and will do his best to maintain the quality that we are looking for.
I am sure I will be happy with either. Just wanting to see if other people think the way I do.
I'm sure people feel the same way. Jim's popularity has grown over the last few years since he has been doing the Ask Jim and appared on the Muppetcast so many times. Some people will say if Jim anit got a part in it then i dont want to see it. Other people feel that Segal should write this movie and Jim should keep doing the books and muppets.com videos and little things.
I personaly feel Jim should be the head writer of the Muppets, such as Jerry Julle was. If he has a movie i think it should be made first because Jim really does know the Muppets.
Very well written and I agree 100% but then I have this little voice in the back of my head that says that they need to find a way to get Segal in there because you have to give new blood a chance. Jim can't do it forever just as Jerry couldn't do it forever. (We miss you Jerry.) I want Jim to write the film but yet I still find myself torn.
I'm sure Disney is trusting on Jason Segel. Because we all know that Jason is bringing back the old routine of the Muppets is quite promising. I don't if they'll make it 2010 however. We're almost getting near to the end of 2009. But whatever the date is going to be, I suggest they should start filming.
Im HOPING this and the Fraggle movie get a 2011 date, which means filming next year.
However, why is it no trade papers/imdb/profiles/wikipedia/etc lists any sort of muppet movie on the upcoming plate of either of these guys? (Siegal/Stoller)?
I thought it was listed on Segal's page. Maybe it was taken down.
I just started reading through this thread and I have to say I share the same sentiment as the first few posters
(I apologise if I'm steering away from any conversation taking place here)
I have high hopes for this movie and my expectations have been rasied more considering the recent muppet videos and appearances. I also can't wait to see what Jason Segal has in store for the Muppets.
As with what I said at the beginning, agreeing with the first few posters of this thread i.e - Pepe not being given too much screentime and lines and give some characters that have recently returned from the background, such as Scooter and Rowlf a chance to do more and get back in their rightful 'main character' status. It may sound like wishful thinking but I think it would also be a wonderful oppurtunity to let these character's new or recast performers a time to shine. David Rudman and Bill Barretta so far, have both been doing great jobs with Scooter, Rowlf and other Jim or Richard characters they're doing now. They have their personalities down, the voices they've provided for each character just seem to get better and better with each appearance aswell.
I saw on IMDB that it's an "UNTITLED MUPPET PROJECT" that's scheduled for 2012?
For the last time... IMDB is NOT a reliable source at ALL. You can't believe what it says until AFTER the movie is made. Otherwise, they have NO idea.
This is an old thread and right now it looks like they're going with a different script for the next Muppet Movie. It's not yet even known if Segel is even going to be involved with it or if elements of this script are being incorporated in it or not.
At D23 in September everyone was expecting Disney to announce that Segel's script was officially greenlit - instead they announced that the next Muppet film will be "The Cheapest Muppet Movie Ever Made" - which despite a very similar title, just happens to be the name of a possible Muppet film Jerry Juhl and Jim Henson had conceptualized in the mid-80's.
Any concerns about the script reviewed in this thread pretty much no longer applies - as far as we know, it's a new ballgame.
And I'm REALLY hoping this one doesn't get leaked on the internet this time. There's a certain secrecy they need to have with this script, and if someone violates it, we could just wind up seeing this movie vanish. Now, I'm not saying "The Greatest Ever Muppet Movie Ever Ever" didn't happen because the script for it was leaked, but it could have had a great deal to do with why we have a different movie idea. I remember Corey Edwards being VERY ticked off that someone got a hold of one of the drafts of the Fraggle Rock film, the one they weren't working off of. And he had to field questions about why Mokey wasn't in the script and stuff like that. Stuff that was only left out of one draft.
I can't believe it's taken me this long to weigh in on this topic, but better late than stuck in a cannon with Gonzo!
When I was growing up with the muppets--yep, that's my REAL age there--the Kermit/Piggy romance was to SWOON over.
Were they hopelessly smitten?
Were they professionally competitive?
Was Kermit snarky? Did Piggy hi-ya him into next week (or at least the next act)?
On a regular basis.
But did they CARE about each other.
What the gods of muppetdom don't seem to understand is that Piggy mooning over Kermit while he acts like a complete jerk ISN'T very funny--it's fairly obnoxious. I find when Kermit does this he comes across as juvenile and mean. (And let's face it--Steve's Kermit is just less...grown up than Jim's. The humor's broader, not deeper. I'm not saying it's always bad. I'm just saying it's always SO.) Kermit comes across as especially hurtful and malicious when he makes (so many) completely uncalled-for carps about Piggy.
What made their relationship FUNNY was--no matter how often he denied it, argued about it or (tried to) fire her, it was obvious to US, to HER and to HIM that he was smitten and in waaaay over his head. Watching him back-pedal while he fell under her spell was GREAT. Watching him fall into the trap of love and writhe in it was better than a trashy romance.
I don't know if I can explain this, but I'm assuming most of you know about the evolution of the character of Fozzie Bear. Originally, he was just supposed to be this obnoxious comic who told unfunny jokes and didn't know he stunk. That was the character as (loosely) defined for TMS. The problem was--it wasn't funny. Bad jokes being told badly by someone with no shame just wasn't entertaining. (Huh--go figure.) What finally made the character work--and work wonderfully, you wonderful, snuggly bear!--was when Frank was doing Fozzie and bombing and he blurted out something along the lines of "Please laugh! Please like me!" (Okay--somebody who's a purist find the article I remember this from and give the absolutely letter-perfect quote. I can't. I remember the gist of the article.) Suddenly, when Fozzie reveals his vulnerability, the audience felt their crunchy-candy-shell hearts begin to melt. Oh! Look--he NEEDS us! And the audience began to root for Fozzie, to WANT him to be funny even while not really expecting him to be. So what is the point of this story in THIS thread?
Being a jerk to a girl (or a pig) who loves you is just proving you're a jerk. But trying hopelessly, desperately to not be swept off your feet by an epic romance designed to hit you at your weakest point is proving that, under all that felt, there's the heart of a great lover. You know--the LOVERS, the dreamers and me? That guy.
I guess I stayed away from this thread because I did not want to know how many new and different ways Kermit was going to find to attack the most amazing superstar of her era JUST for falling in love with him, but I'm feeling a little better about it now. The trailer has the following quote, from Kermit to Piggy:
"Maybe you don't need the whole world to love you. Maybe you just need one person."
Well, well, well. Maybe Kermit's finally decided to grow up.
I can see where your coming from, and I think your right. Just look at MTI, and AVMMXM these two movies really show that they both care deeply for each other, but like every relationship have there bumps in the road.
I have always felt that Kermit even though he will not admit it needs Piggy in his life, and Piggy needs Kermit. With Piggy however she trys and let Kermit shine in any situation or problem they may be in, and when for whatever reason if her frog can't shine she will do whatever it takes so that he shines. Kind of like the old saying behind every good frog is a great pig or something like that.
Yeah, I'm with Ru on this one. What excited me about VMX was Kermit's seemingly epiphany that, for all the crap she gives him, he is really in love with her. A reluctant lover is one thing, but like Ru says, it began to feel like outright meanness. I woulda jumpkicked him too (of course, let's be fair, and note that Kermit deserves a couple shots at her because she repeatedly jerks his chain and runs off for "better" things ... I don't think he "gets" a lot of the time that she's just manipulating him in order to get her shining green knight to rescue her, though Kermit's reaction as everyone is begging [FINALLY] to get her back during VMX implies that he realizes all this running away is a sham).
The trailer where Kermit tenderly spins the Just One Person message into a romantic entreaty just makes me want to cry with happiness. After a decade or more of watching a dishonest relationship ... I'm ready for some upfront honesty for a change.
Me to I so want the Kermit and Piggy relationship to be right. Very few writers can seem to get the relationship right, and I think as fans we need to see that relationship right.
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