1. Welcome to the Muppet Central Forum!
    You are viewing our forum as a guest. Join our free community to post topics and start private conversations. Please contact us if you need help with registration or your account login.

  2. "Muppets Most Wanted" Fan Reactions
    After you see "Muppets Most Wanted", read fan reactions and let us know your thoughts on the Muppets eighth theatrical film.

  3. "Muppets Most Wanted" Original Soundtrack
    With a new Muppet movie one of the most anticipated merchandise releases is the official soundtrack. Listen to the Muppets Most Wanted original soundtrack now playing on Muppet Central Radio.

snoop no more!

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by pdiddy, Sep 27, 2002.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

  1. beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>The Muppets have been caught in a time warp for a decade and they really need to get out of it or instead of telling the jokes, they will become the joke (i.e. Scooby Doo). And none of us wants that to happen.<<<

    The stuck in the time warp I feel comes from the ill concived perception that the Muppets are outdated, and a product of the seventies(ie: 'the nostalgia syndrome')
  2. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Exactly what I was saying. It does not help when characters have very 80s retro looks that could easily be updated.
  3. WHAT?!

    OMGOMG, PLEEEEEEEEEEEASE do not tell me that I am so so sooooooooooooooooo close to hearin' my "Muppet Show" gal speak once again after years of silence (except for the recent video game), only to be stomped on and laughed at!!

    Really!

    Do not!

    :(

    *SIGH*

    And she looked so lively in the picture on the press release page...*sniff*

    If there's a scene with Andy & Randy Pig over Janice and/or the EM, I am SOOOOOOOOOOOo gonna boycott these so-called "editors"...

    :mad:

    And I can do it, too! Just ask Jackie! LOL!!
  4. Janice's hair

    Wow, I had no idea there were Muppet fans so passionate over the ponytail, lol... :p

    While I prefer the "classic Janice" straight-haired "spaghetti" look, the pony-tail doesn't bother me; it's just not my favored of the two.

    Cory, are you sure that was a bandaid solution to Janice gettin' her hair caught in her mouth sometimes?? That'd be kinda funny if that were the reason---but I can't help think it would have been more of a "style update" for her. Besides, I thought Janice chewin' her hair was a cute li'l "Muppetism", lol...didn't happen a whole lot, but it was cool when it did---especially when Richard puppeteered her so that she took it out of her mouth with her hand, LOL! (There's one "Vet's Hospital" where that rully happens in a big way)

    Anyway, with all the Hollywood gals shellin' out loads of dough to straighten their hair long and thin, ironically, Janice's TMS look would apparently be the most modern thing she could have right now! Lol!

    I think I'd be scared to see her hair change much more... :eek:
  5. Chilly Down Member

    Modernizing the characters should be done with caution. I really don't care to see a grunge Floyd or a Zoot with a nose ring. That would only make them seem dated when the movie is watched 5-10 years from now.

    Granted, the Mayhem's original clothing styles were based on '60s and '70s styles, so maybe a slight alteration is in order. But being truly fashionable might change the look of the characters too much. To be really accurate to today's styles, Floyd should shave his moustache and cut off his ponytail! Now who here wants to see THAT? :) Keep in mind that Muppet fans have never stopped complaining since Piggy changed from her classic look in the late 70s/early 80s. It doesn't matter to fans that she's more fashionable now--she doesn't look like Piggy to us! I feel the same thing would happen with the Mayhem.

    Look at the Peanuts characters. They maintained the same type of clothing that was common to kids in the '50s right up to the end of its run in 2000. Look at Donald Duck--he wears a type of sailor's outfit that the Navy hasn't used for decades! Puppets and cartoon characters can get away with more, in terms of keeping the same wardrobe, because people so heavily associate them with it. (For that matter, most cartoon characters never seem to bother to change their clothes at all!) ;-)

    Conversely, Jim seemed to feel that the Mayhem was getting too dated. His solution was simply to stop featuring them. (Remember, there was a different band for The Jim Henson Hour.) Me, I'm just happy to see the Mayhem back (or not, when their scenes get edited!). And for the record, I was just fine--thrilled, in fact--when Floyd showed up at MuppetFest in his Sgt. Pepper's outfit.

    Then again, I haven't changed my outfit since the 70's either. Whaddya mean, "what's that smell"? ;-)
  6. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I don't think anyone is saying what you propose. I think everyone would be against that.

    I proposed that they turn back the clock to their classic look and make minor alterations rather than going in a totally different direction.

    Janice could actually be rather radical in her clothing selection (it's a woman thing), but the rest should stay true to thier roots. Right now they are wearing 80s updates of thier classic look. That just seems lazy to me. Where do you buy Muppet clothes anyway? LOL (Yes, I know they make them):)
  7. Phillip Administrator

    Here's another story...

    Snoop Gets Smacked Down By Kermit The Frog
    From MTV News

    Snoop Dogg has left the green behind, and now, the green has left him too.

    The multi-platinum rapper says he hasn't smoked marijuana in several weeks, and yet despite this recent move toward a more "family-friendly" D-o-double-g, Snoop is apparently no longer welcome around Kermit the Frog.

    Snoop's brief appearance in the made-for-television "It's a Very Muppet Christmas Movie" has been dropped from the final cut, according to a statement issued by the Jim Henson Company. And despite the company's insistence that the cameo was excised because it "did not advance [the show's] story line," an Islamic activist group is claiming responsibility for the change.

    "Snoop has openly advocated the use of drugs, he financially supported a pornographic video and he writes and performs music that is both sexually explicit and violent," explained Imam Najee Ali, director of the Los Angeles-based Project Islamic Hope. "This is not the image that our children should be exposed to in a Muppets [show]."

    Ali claims that it was his group's threat of an NBC boycott — which the organization made public via the syndicated Larry Elder Show four days before the Muppet folks' announcement — that prompted the show's producers to make the cut. He also credits conservative television host Bill O'Reilly, who railed against the planned cameo last week.

    A spokesperson for the Jim Henson Company, however, countered that the Henson press release went out prior to any of the public criticism of Snoop, and added it went to Bill O'Reilly before his story ran.

    "They're embarrassed that they had to cave in to public pressure," Ali reasoned. "No corporation wants to be perceived as weak, they want to be perceived as strong ... and not giving in to threats from protesters. Our actions, as well as Mr. O'Reilly's ... we were the catalyst."

    A representative for Snoop Dogg declined to comment.

    Though he doesn't mind sharing credit with O'Reilly, Ali was quick to point out that he'd prefer not to be associated with the TV personality's viewpoints on other issues, such as the recent debate sparked by O'Reilly concerning Pepsi and rapper Ludacris (see "Ludacris Barks Back At Pepsi, O'Reilly; P-Roach Antics Not An Issue For Soda Giant").

    "I'm not going to support someone really targeting hip-hop from the outside," he said. "Our generation needs to be the ones that have a say in hip-hop, not music outsiders like O'Reilly and C. Delores Tucker and other conservatives.

    "Had Snoop not made the porno video we probably would have just taken a pass and not bothered with it," he continued, adding that he once watched the "first five minutes" of the "Doggystyle" video for research purposes. "It was just so graphic and so hardcore that I had to say something about this, being an activist who's also a religious leader."

    This isn't Ali's first offensive against Snoop. Project Islamic Hope claimed responsibility for having Snoop's Los Angeles radio show removed from KKBT last year.

    "We're definitely trying to [gain] some momentum," Ali said. "We're going to be organizing a conference nationwide. We're trying to ask the rappers to clean up the music as far as lyrical content. We feel they contribute to black-on-black crime. It's kind of tricky because we don't want to be perceived as censors. We want artists to take more responsibility."

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1457903/20021002/snoop_dogg.jhtml?headlines=true
  8. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Re: WHAT?!


    HOW DO YOU THINK I FEEL!!!! I mean... "rully." I have seen Dr. Teeth make a comeback (in the "WE are Family" video), but no Janice? I mean, giving them those corny bit parts in the last three movies was kinda sad. Specially since mostly, they didn't talk (Dr. Teeth said SHalom in MFS, while at least Animal, Zoot, and Floyd got to say a line).


    But to bring it up, Corey didn't come up with the Hair Hypothesis (the addition of pony tail to stop hair in her mouth), I did.

    I just don't want to see them updated any more. Rully!!!
  9. Stryder Wolfe New Member

    [jokey indignant voice]HEY! I gots a mustache and a ponytail! Are you saying I'm not fashionable?!?!? [/jokey indignant voice]

    :D

    seriously thouhg, some very minor alterations would be kay, but really, for the mayhem at least, that sort of 60's style never REALLY goes out...it fades a bit, bu always comes back..Clifford looks WAAAY more dated as "muppet arsenio" but the Electric Mayhem are timeless!
  10. Chilly Down Member

    Silly. You buy Muppet clothes at the Muppet Gap, or the Muppet Old Navy, or (in Sweetums' case) at the Muppet Big, Tall and Hairy! ;-)
  11. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Oh...poor Sweetums. THat's why he always wears the same thing - except on the Paula Abdul ep of Muppets Tonight. EEEEEEk!
  12. beaker Well-Known Member

    Very sad how due to a few vocal groups Janice' perhaps only speaking role in the film was cut.

    >>>Modernizing the characters should be done with caution. I really don't care to see a grunge Floyd or a Zoot with a nose ring. That would only make them seem dated when the movie is watched 5-10 years from now.<<<

    Oh, I dont think theyd give them a 'grunge' makeover...as that in of itself is ten years obsolete.

    >>>Keep in mind that Muppet fans have never stopped complaining since Piggy changed from her classic look in the late 70s/early 80s. It doesn't matter to fans that she's more fashionable now--she doesn't look like Piggy to us! I feel the same thing would happen with the Mayhem.<<<

    Judging from the recent Muppetisms and Dennys commercials, I think Piggy looks better than ever. She looked rather grotesque in a lot of the late 70's(ie: See Frawleye test era Piggy)

    Look at the Peanuts characters. They maintained the same type of clothing that was common to kids in the '50s right up to the end of its run in 2000. Look at Donald Duck--he wears a type of sailor's outfit that the Navy hasn't used for decades! Puppets and cartoon characters can get away with more, in terms of keeping the same wardrobe, because people so heavily associate them with it. (For that matter, most cartoon characters never seem to bother to change their clothes at all!) ;-)<<<

    Yes, but thats the different between the Muppets and animated cartoons. You cant go to a convention or a set and 'meet' Mickeyt, Donald or Charlie Brown(unless its some teenaged kid in a giant suit)

    >>>I always liked 80s fashion and hope it'll be returning soon . . . but yes, the characters should not wear something that looks dated rather than classic or contemporary.<<<

    rolled up sleeves, broad shouldered business suit jackets, skinny ties, mesh football jereseys, olivia newton john styled leg warmers and sweats, cutoff ac/dc shirts, etc? As much as people our age romaticize the glorious 80's, there was quite a few blistering painful fashion faux paus.
  13. Chilly Down Member

    <<Oh, I dont think theyd give them a 'grunge' makeover...as that in of itself is ten years obsolete.>>

    Yeah, I couldn't think of the right word for it. I so couldn't care less what the current fashion trend is, I didn't even know what to call it.

    <<Judging from the recent Muppetisms and Dennys commercials, I think Piggy looks better than ever. She looked rather grotesque in a lot of the late 70's(ie: See Frawleye test era Piggy)>>

    Well, you're one of the few who feel that way (though you're certainly entitled to that opinion). Actually, I don't have strong feelings on the subject either way. I just thought it was ironic that who people who decried changes to Piggy's appearance seemed to be advocating a wholesale revamping of the Mayhem. (Apparently I misunderstood what people were saying, though.)

    <<Yes, but thats the different between the Muppets and animated cartoons. You cant go to a convention or a set and 'meet' Mickeyt, Donald or Charlie Brown(unless its some teenaged kid in a giant suit)>>

    I disagree. I think in general, people tend to look at cartoons, puppets, clay characters, CGI characters, etc. pretty much the same way. I have yet to have one person say to me, "Man, I like the Muppets, but when's that Floyd gonna get a new outfit?" (I'm talking about average people, of course, not the wonderfully obssessive group of people here that I'm proud to be a part of.) :)

    <<rolled up sleeves, broad shouldered business suit jackets, skinny ties, mesh football jereseys, olivia newton john styled leg warmers and sweats, cutoff ac/dc shirts, etc? As much as people our age romaticize the glorious 80's, there was quite a few blistering painful fashion faux paus.>>

    Well, every decade has its fashion faux paus. I'm not saying the Flock of Seagulls haircut should come back or anything. :rolleyes: But I prefer most of the fashions of the 80's (when guys looked like Micheal J. Fox and girls looked like Cyndi Lauper) to the fashions of the 90's (when guys looked like Kurt Kobain and girls looked like Alanis Morisette).

    I'm painting in broad strokes here, folks. I know that isn't a 100% accurate picture of things. And I'm not down on anyone who likes those looks. As a child of the 80's, I just felt the need to defend my beloved decade. :) Thanks for your comments, Cory!
  14. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Ahhh. You got Cyndi in there didn't you? LOL! Actually, I think she provides the perfect solution. She doesn't look exactly like she did in the 80s but still very much in the same spirit. Slightly more modern version of her classic look.

    I just love that magazine pic of her during her pregnancy a few years back. She was walking out of a guitar case with purple hair,. a stroller and a big disco ball painted on her exposed very pregnant stomach. I guess moms want to have fun too!
  15. Zack the Dog Active Member

    Hi guys, i just heard earlier this night on that fox news Factor show about snoop being cut from the muppet movie, there was a little talk about it, nothing really about the muppets but just that snoop was cut and on reasons why.

    i didn't see thay photo off snoop and janice and floyd untill today! that's sooo cool! i completly understand the reason for the cut, in which i hope it's not 30 min, but i actualy feelbad, mean i don't like snoop or anything, and i really didn't like the fact that he was going to be in the movie, i just it's about how he was excited about doing the shot and about his kids and stuff, plus new EM and other fottage they we may never see, i doubt it was be on the dvd or video release, i kinda have this feeling this movie won't even come to DVD or video, it's just a feeling thought, it's a bad one then...;-)


    everyone lets sing a song!

    "why are there so many muppet christmas specails with cuts in them, and will they ever be complete?" LOL!


    hey did you know kermit made a cameo on Jepordey tonight?!?!small one, not live, it was just for a question...answer, treasure Island....



    I haven't been on the fourm for weeks!
  16. Luke Active Member

    Hey Zack,

    Welcome back to the forum - you've been missed. I can understand some of the reasons behind the cut too, though as has been said, i hope the good scenes from those that were cut have been re-written and re-shot.
  17. DrGoshposh New Member

    Article from the LA Times.

    Scott


    Rapper Cut From Film; Activist Takes Credit

    Rapper Snoop Dogg has been edited out of an upcoming Muppets TV movie, and an African American activist is taking credit for the removal.

    Najee Ali, head of Los Angeles-based Project Islamic Hope, said he pressured the Jim Henson Co. to take Snoop Dogg out of NBC's "A Very Merry Muppet Christmas" because of the rapper's pro-drug persona and his involvement with several pornographic video projects.

    Henson executives said that the editing of Snoop Dogg's appearance had nothing to do with Ali's protest. "As commonly occurs during this stage of production, we have had to cut several scenes originally planned for the movie which did not advance its story line," the company said in a statement.

    Insiders familiar with the Henson Co. acknowledged that although Snoop Dogg's footage would have been cut because the movie was running long, executives were also concerned about information they learned recently that the rapper is planning to release another triple X-rated video this fall.
  18. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Cyndi Lauper looked like Grungetta on Sesame Street?
  19. Cantus' Ghost New Member

    It is refreshing to see some social opposition to the Muppets... even if it completely ridiculous. Nothin' wrong with a little anarchy. Fight the power, green person and glamour-pig!

    As For Bill O'Reilly: someone please rid the world of this idiot who constantly spews off about rap music (which, of course, he knows nothing about) and ignores every piece of news relevant to the working class.
  20. Zack the Dog Active Member

    Thanks Luke



    "Henson executives said that the editing of Snoop Dogg's appearance had nothing to do with Ali's protest. "As commonly occurs during this stage of production, we have had to cut several scenes originally planned for the movie which did not advance its story line," the company said in a statement."


    that kinda just seems like a cover up, i think it has to deal with everything, heres a the funny thing thought, i saw last night an ad for a "girls gone wild" video hosted by snoop dog....

    i can understand the reason for the cut, i don't think henson has to hide it when it's already out, i also think there there will most likey be another EM sceen in the show so we will here janice if they have replaced her voice.

    Zack)Rowlf the, no snoop in this dog, unless it's snoopy.,Dog
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page