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snoop no more!

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by pdiddy, Sep 27, 2002.

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  1. ZootandDingo

    ZootandDingo Member

    Well, I'm sure whoever did play Janice did an all right job....not that we'll ever know now.

    Now, if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to go remove all swear words and references to love out of my "Pulp Fiction" DVD.
  2. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yes!! The Electric Mayheim was supposed to perform with Snoop! This really ticks me off. SHow of Hands: who wants Pat E. to goosestep her way out of Muppet Central say AYE! Sorry! That was harsh! But I don't want the Rightwing Moral Majority Minority to shred my Muppet shows to bits!!!

    As for Hulk Hogan, I REALLY didn't like him in the film (and Traveling Matt was cut from the product?) Though, the bad guy joke was funny for two seconds. BTW, I did not like Kathy Griffen UNTIL MFS and Dilbert! I never thought she was funny until then! Maybe it was just that Suddenly Susan was so awful (even with Eric Idle)
  3. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Hey, now

    I think it's going a little too far with the insults and there has been some inflammatory language on both sides here.

    I know things are heated on the forum right now but lets not make it personal. This originated as a healthy debate about the Muppet special; there has been no wrongdoing between members but it is definitely heading in that direction.

    This is really about difference of opinion, but I can see this getting out of hand quickly. I'm all for a civil debate but lets not lose site that we should respect the opinions of others. Patty certainly did not single-handedly ruin Christmas or make the decision to delete the scene. No individual has that control. That is up to Henson. We are some very passionate Muppet fans indeed!
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Re: Hey, now

    I know and I appologize! The Goosestep comment was WAYYYYY out of line! WAY WAY WAY out of line! You know I have a bad temper, and I'm sorry If I can't take this in good humor. I reiterate! I appologize! Dr. Tooth is all about love! I just can't stand being so close to an Electric Mayheim comeback, only to have it edited out! I bet a lot of people would be ticked! "specially Byron!

    As for the Patt E debate, I just wanted to put a face on my disgust! Though, I wouldn't be surprised that a few angry letters fueled their decidion. Ren and Stimpy was all but taken off the air, after two angry letters by watchdog groups.

    As for respecting opinions, I'm not sure she really respects ours, however!

    Once again, I appologize!
  5. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I agree - things are really passionate on all sides and I don't believe that everyone is listening to each other here. There are some valid points on both sides, but Patty is a new member and she does sign her posts with "respectfully" so we must give her the benefit of the doubt. Many people come on a little strong when they join the forum (I was no exception). Some of the rhetoric on both sides has been rather over-the top and tempers get heated (mine has certainly been hot in the past too). It's best to be patient or wait an hour to post when that happens. Most of the time you will find that such responses are just not worth it.
  6. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>Many people come on a little strong when they join the forum (I was no exception). Some of the rhetoric on both sides has been rather over-the top and tempers get heated (mine has certainly been hot in the past too). It's best to be patient or wait an hour to post when that happens. Most of the time you will find that such responses are just not worth it.<<<

    Boy Ive learned that. I realize a lot of times it seems like I am over stretching my opinions. So Ive realized its just not worth it to get into it in a non orderly debate.

    But I have to say...fort hose who think the recent '9 days' or Snoop thread got ugly, I just have to point to that Sesame HIV thread to illustrate how truly far away from the spirit of things we can get on here.
  7. Cantus Rock

    Cantus Rock New Member

    <<But I have to say...fort hose who think the recent '9 days' or Snoop thread got ugly, I just have to point to that Sesame HIV thread to illustrate how truly far away from the spirit of things we can get on here>>

    What'dya mean in that Cory? Not at all bashing, just wondering what you mean. Maybe a different thread than the one I posted in? I thought the HIV+ Thread where me and Annika were posting was pretty orderly...I bared my amazingly soft center in that one, like always. :)

    So just set me straight so I don't keep wondering in the dark...I could bump into something and have a vase break on my head. Then I wouldn't be able to coach the big game...Payton would have to do it all by himself!! Ek...lapsed into a Coach episode...sorry about that...:D

    -Matt
  8. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Oh sorry for not clarifying my man...I was referring of course to
    the Sesame HIV thread that was hijacked by some extremely disturbing extremist views. And yes, yours and Annika's thoughts on one of those related threads were well appreciated.
  9. Chilly Down

    Chilly Down Member

    Someone help me out here. Where was it said that Snoop's scene with the EM was the only scene with the EM in the whole movie? I haven't read that in any of the articles or press releases. (It might be in one of the other Snoop threads, but there are roughly 100 of those! So if someone could point me in the right direction.) Maybe they appear somewhere else in the movie.

    Something that concerns me that no one's been talking about...they said 30 MINUTES was chopped from the film. Celebrity cameos in Muppet movies are usually just limited to about 5 minutes or so. So what else was cut? Will the special now be 90 min. with commercials instead of 2 hours? And if Snoop's appareance was more than just a cameo, then how much damage was done to the comprehensibility of the plot by removing all of his scenes?
  10. Luke

    Luke Active Member

    Hey Tom,

    Hours of movies end up on the cutting room floor in edit - my guess is that they just used 30 minutes to try to make this press release not just one about Snoop getting cut. They are trying to say that we cut thirty minutes and it just happened to include Snoops scenes - because basically they don't want to have to write a press attention attracting release that says 'we cut Snoop because we had second thoughts and realised he wasn't the right person to have cameo in our movie'. It kinda saves face for both them and for snoop.
  11. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    OH GOD!!! please don't remind me.That was a real DISASTER!!!!! Philip Chapman had to intervine and get rid of all these posts. A lot of hate on BOTH sides of the arguement. I still wonder if that guy got kicked off the site. I read it last week, and I was so mortified by the whole experiance. GEEEZZZ!! We sure get passionate around here!
  12. Phillip

    Phillip Administrator Staff Member

    Yes he did get banned. If anyone has any suspicions that a trouble-maker has returned please write a moderator

    For about a week, I've been trying to track down the Rolling Stone pic. All the issues here are already off the shelves. Jamie found it and sent it in this morning. I've added the photo to Henson's release from last Friday since it's possible we may never see this scene.

    For me, the real litmus test of this will be when we find out the length of the TV movie. Originally slated for 2 hours, if it's cut to one hour or an hour and a half, we know a lot was cut. If it remains at two hours, then we know either not as much was cut or parts were reshot. Hopefully the special won't greatly suffer if 30 minutes of cuts indeed take place.

    http://www.muppetcentral.com/news/2002/092702.shtml
  13. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Phil,

    OH MY GOD !!

    Where did that picture come from Phil ?

    It seems like Janice is talking there, I sure hope so !
    She also looks very The Muppet Show Janice, Not like the Puppet they used in Muppet Treasure Island.

    It feels weird talking about her and saying 'Puppet'.

    See ya
  14. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    The article goes on to explain Snoop's interest in turning over a new leaf and making efforts to entertain his kids through various children's projects.

    Yeah, Janice looks like she is saying something. I am very disappointed that this scene has been cut. Heck, write Henson and ask them to include the scene on the DVD if it is released.
  15. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Janice


    YUCK!! it looks like the 1980's pony tail is back!
  16. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    You are right. It's things like that - that makes Henson seem really out of touch with the times. I liked the ponytail in the 80s but would it really be that hard to get a pair of scissors and snip it off. Give it to Byron. I'm sure he'd like it!

    The Electric Mayhem needs to find some new threads. Not too outrageously modern, but something that is a bit more influenced by the times. They seemed to have stopped doing that 20 years ago.
  17. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I mean, I really hate that pony tail, both in looks and significance. Since it's an eighties style, it shows the dreadful step from her going from Hippy child of the 60's to money child of the 80's!

    Of course, it was a bandaid solution for her hair getting caught in her mouth!
  18. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    >>>I liked the ponytail in the 80s but would it really be that hard to get a pair of scissors and snip it off. Give it to Byron. I'm sure he'd like it!<<<

    You guys say some of the funniest stuff!

    I have a very very big feeling there could have been some really golden banter between Snoop and the Electric Mayhem...and do to some parental complaints and other red tape, we may never get to see those...not to mention the other 25 minutes that were cut. I mean bucthering MFC...releasing the two classic retelling films in pan and scan, etc....but man! Obviously these scenes arent outrageous for television or the family if they were approved and filmed.

    Sounds like Rivkin and company are just trying to save face to a few outpsoken censors at the expense of art.

    >>>Since it's an eighties style, it shows the dreadful step from her going from Hippy child of the 60's to money child of the 80's!<<<

    funny thing is, when MTM got released on vhs in 1999 Janice looked to once again fit in with the times of the late 90's(Puma styled jogger pants with white stripe down the sides that the band Korn reintroduced)

    But I agree with others...the Electric Mayhem needs a total makeover. Maybe they could give them shiny silver coats and give em that futuristic glam look? Err, maybe not.
  19. Stryder Wolfe

    Stryder Wolfe New Member

    they shouldn't make over the Mayhem...they look good, real good.

    But I dislike Janice's ponytail...not too much, but enough..they should vary...hey, why not? Sometimes I have a pony tail and sometimes I don't...why can't she?
  20. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm not saying that Zoot needs some tight vinyl pants (hey, maybe Janice could) but I feel they need to go back to their classic look and make some modern accents. The Muppets have been caught in a time warp for a decade and they really need to get out of it or instead of telling the jokes, they will become the joke (i.e. Scooby Doo). And none of us wants that to happen.


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