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Snoop Doggy Dog (The Degenerate)

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Patty E., Sep 25, 2002.

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  1. Patty E.

    Patty E. New Member

    To: The Jim Henson Company
    Charles H. Rivkin, Chief Executive Officer

    I am very disturbed by a decision made by Jim Henson Productions to host a Christmas special featuring Rapper Snoop Doggy Dogg. The production company's decision to showcase this vulgar person with our beloved Muppet characters is an assault on America's impressionable, young minds.

    Who at Jim Henson Productions determined it appropriate to introduce degenerate personalities to our children? His material is not worthy of being streamlined. He openly disrespects women, talks trash, and has an act that belongs in a X-rated club.

    Kermit-the-Frog and the entire Muppet family must remember vulgar conduct is never acceptable. It is never in style or smart to degrade yourself or denigrate others.

    My preference is to imagine Ms. Piggy's excitement upon meeting a real-life Marine Officer, "quick get the smelling salts." Or Kermit's pride in meeting a Captain from the U.S. Navy's Amphibious Unit.

    I am talking about giving meaning, presenting dynamic role models in a warm, fun, wholesome, endearing fashion. The vulgar programming must cease. This is my request, and I speak on behalf of all the big and little kids. Please hear our voice, touch our heart, and always use your platform wisely.

    Respectfully,
    Patty E.
    Email: pegerer@aol.com
  2. tomahawk

    tomahawk Member

    yeah mr. rivkin so digitally cut richard pryor out of the muppet movie because just the sight of that swearing, drug doing degenerate makes me wanna run away and hide.
  3. Thog

    Thog New Member

    And please never show the Alice Cooper episode of The Muppet Show again.

    PS Never let Ozzy sing with Miss Piggy
  4. Patty E.

    Patty E. New Member

    Snoop Doggy Dog= Damaging Influence

    There is nothing glamorous or funny about drug dealing, violence, or crime. Nor, is it "cool" to teach your children to admire those that exhibit degenerate behavior. Snoop Dog, markets vulgarity. Glorifying Snoop Doggy Dog is grossly inappropriate for children's programming. Jim Henson Productions, is duty bound to maintain a high level of integrity in programming.


    Respectfully,
    Patty E.
    Email: pegerer@aol.com
  5. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member

    Ok, you guys are mocking her, and I can see your point, *but* she does raise some issues that make some sense to me. I know I already argued on the other side of the fence, but her letter is starting to convince me. Porn stars and Muppets make me queasy.
  6. tomahawk

    tomahawk Member

    o.k. than never watch the mt episode with cindy crawford because she was in playboy several times and there are still some people who consider that porno.
  7. Thog

    Thog New Member

    It just shows that the Muppets work with a wide range of stars that appeal to all sorts of different people. Snoop just happens to be one of them. Tomahawk is right. Richard Pryor did a lot of drugs back in the 1970's, but then again so did Gilda Radner and a few other that were guest stars on the show. Steve Martin wasn't always the cleanest man during his stand up comic days.
    And what about Eddie Murphy? He caused a lot of problems back in the 1980's. Even though he hasn't worked with the Muppets, he has worked on a number of children's movies such as Mulan and Shrek.
  8. tomahawk

    tomahawk Member

    another question i have for patty e ,what is your defintion of degrading? is it we will pay you x amount of money to be in a video(x or mtv approved) and you can either say yes or no, i would say it is in the hands of the person getting paid.
    i believe you can only degrade yourself.
  9. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Seems that, once again, the Muppet Show gang is being confused with their Sesame Street cousins. The Muppet Show aucience is more mature and can make distinctions between entertainers and role models. Must everything be so PC all the time? Snoop Dog is not my fave, but I am very interested in what he'll be doing on the show. Now having someone like Kathy Lee - well that would be frightening. Better save that for a Halloween special. Oh...but they did get Kelly. Poor girl thought she was on the Sesame Street set. Well - many people do confuse the two projects these days, but hopefully that will change after the new year.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I'd also like to say I am feeling uneasy that Snoop Dog is in it. I was praying that it was a typo, and they ment Snoopy the dog was in it!

    I also don't like the fact that SCRUBS cast members will be there, since it is a blatent promo for their show. And I hope they don't sneak in the overacting unfunny Sean Hayes (of Will and Grace) in it either! UGH!!!
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I'm surprised that more NBC stars aren't in the special. I think people are carrying on too much. I'm sure these actors will only be on for a second. Heck, I never much liked John Denver, but it was quite different when he was with the Muppets. Months after the announcement - why are we still stuck on Snoop Dog? He's off the drugs anyway and he's cleaned up his act quite a bit. I don't think we'd be as concerned if it were Liza Minelli - and that girl's abused so many substances in her life to stock a pharmaceutical company! I just feel it's popular to pick on certain types of people.
  12. tomahawk

    tomahawk Member

    jamie, i also thought we were done with all of this. i was even hesitating answering back but i couldn't stand it any more.
  13. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    You know, maybe Emenem would have been a better choice...you know, because he seems to be thought of as 'safe' amongst the suburban soccer mom picket fence community.

    The fact is JHC doesnt have much money to pull in say Tom Cruise or George Clooney, or any other A-list star. So what ya can get, you'll get.

    Also, isn't the PC days of the 90's officially over? I know
    ever since the unspeakable tragedy of 2/21( feb 21st 2000 when EM.TV officially kidnapped JHC and the Muppets) the days of sensitivity and irony have gone out the window...but there really isnt any celebrity I would object to(*note I say celebtrity, not infamous media created celebrity) being on the Muppet Show whether it be Marilyn Manson, Charlton Heston or PResident George W Bush.(as a note, all three of these folks star in a new documentray by Michale Moore called "Bowling For Columbine" out later this year)
  14. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member

    Dunno about that... Eminem is not too popular in that circle either.
  15. BlueFrackle

    BlueFrackle Active Member

    Guys,

    Actually, i think that the Point is, The Muppets are starring in it, Its NBC's so they choose.

    If The Muppets say they dont want him in it, Then thats their problem.

    But anyway, What Jamie said is true, This is not Sesame Street.

    And it will attract older viewers, Because they know Snoop Dogg aint gonna mingle with Big Bird.

    See ya
  16. danielromens

    danielromens Member

    To Patty,

    Though I do respect your opinion here's some food for thought...

    a. just because they have chosen to use Snoop as a guest in no way means they are advertising crime and vulgarity to youngsters. He's there to entise a different fan base to watch the film, a different demographic for possible fans. This could be anywhere from inner city kids to african americans, to anyone who enjoys him as a performer.

    b. Snoop is cleaning himself up. Supposedly he has given up drugs and (though long ago) he cut ties between himself and the gang world. He's doing it because he has a wife and kids. People change.

    c. Here are some other beloved degenerates and "bad influences" who've worked with the muppets. These are anyone involved with drugs, crass behavor, or other wise....

    1. Robin Williams-a known coke abuser, and crass comic (see live at the met)
    2. Ozzy Osborne
    3. Alice Cooper
    4. Mel Brooks - comedy below the belt
    5. Debby Harry
    6. Jimmy Buffet- songs about drunkeness
    7. Elton John
    8. John Cleese-Monty Python was not kids stuff
    9. Steve Martin
    10. The cast of Saturday Night Live
    11. Dudley Moore
    12. The Mighty Mighty Bosstones
    13. Hulk Hogan
    14. Richard Prior
    15. Jon Stewart-an admitted dope smoker
    16. Whoopie Goldberg
    17. Tim Curry- a transvestite in Rocky Horror...for shame
    18. Liza Minneli
    19. Coolio
    20. Tony Bennet- also had a coke problem and possible mafia ties
    21. Robert Downey Junior

    the list goes on and on...not only that, but Jim and the puppeteers weren't exactly angles all of the time either.

    Again, I do think you raise a point, but it seems a bit under thought and underinformed. Maybe you should actually try writing the company instead of posting to a fan board.

    Also I don't see how a guest star is glorifying violence. Unless he's dealing drugs to animal or pulling drivebyes in Fozzie's studebaker I really don't see the harm in someone doing something for their kids.

    daniel romens
  17. FellowWLover

    FellowWLover Member

    Just for the record, his drug use and gang affiliation may be in the past, but his porno stuff is recent... very recent.
  18. Patty E.

    Patty E. New Member

    Snoop Doggy Dog- Degenerate Lifestyle

    The reality is Snoop has chosen a deviant lifestyle and he continues to disrespect women.

    FellowWLover is right, he maintains his "gang affiliation."

    Apparently, Mr. Rivkin is interested in making "vulgar" fashionable.

    Respecfully,
    Patty E.
    Email: pegerer@aol.com
  19. kansasteen14

    kansasteen14 New Member

    I dont want Snoop Dogg in it but Peggy do you reliase the fact that the muppets have been made for all ages my 7 year old brother loves them I a 14 year old loves them my 32 year old mother loves them.
  20. tomahawk

    tomahawk Member

    again patty i will ask the question. is it degrading or disrespecting someone by paying them to do a job(i.e. a mtv or porno video) when the payee is saying yes to all of it and smiling all the way to the bank?


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