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Discussion in 'Sesame Merchandise' started by Brooklyn, Nov 15, 2007.
Or his dog equivalent in Underdog.
LOL! I actually have obsessive compulsive disorder (to a small, but significant degree) myself, so I know EXACTLY what you mean about the Count. That's why he's one of my fave characters on SS.
Here are some other "quirks" I've found in SS characters
- Cookie Monster's like a "monsterized", clean-language version of Homer Simpson; overindulgent, gluttonous, and somewhat ignorant - which makes him another favorite character of mine (Cookie, that is, since we're talking SS, not Homer, though Homer's pretty cool too!)
- Kermit's encounters with characters like Forgetful Jones, the Count, Grover, and the salesman in the "Kermit the Frog T-shirt" segment are hilarious, but to me they're also reminders for children (and adults) to know that even someone as smart and insightful as Kermit is bound to lose their temper at some point (I'm no exception, though I try to keep my cool most of the time)
- Grover reminds me of someone with a combination of Asperger's syndrome and ADHD (myself and many friends of mine fall under this category); he's very smart and well-meaning, but he just goofs up a lot of the time.
- The way that Bert is anxious, is only willing to socialize when he wants to, and is obsessed with peculiar and/or ordinary objects (like paper clips, bottlecaps, and oatmeal; not to mention random animals like pigeons), makes me think that his actions could be construed as autism to some.
- Ernie's pretty level-headed, but sometimes he doesn't realize how much he bothers someone (particularly Bert, though there could be others), and I'm kinda like that too, sometimes.
- If Big Bird really is 6 years old (in Muppet years, of course, not human or bird years), then he seems to have a simple mind even for somebody that young, and the fact that he is so tall is (or at least was) probably intended as an ironic joke.
- Even Prairie Dawn seems to be somewhat of a control freak sometimes.
- And of course, Oscar the Grouch's problem is obvious from the "Grouch" part of his name
Dr. Tooth already mentioned Telly's problem so I'm not going over that one, but with all that being said, characters like Elmo (esp. the "modernized" Elmo) just aren't the same since Elmo's a little kid who acts like...well...a little kid, meaning he's pretty normal for his "age" (3 years old). Same with characters like Baby Bear who is (once again) a little kid who acts like a little kid. It's characters like that that made the show decline so all I can say is...thank goodness these "Old School" DVD's are being released so people like me (and most if not all of the other folks on MuppetCentral) can enjoy SS for what it was; a place full of monsters, people, and other appealing creatures who went beyond teaching letters and numbers to also teach acceptance and humor.
Exactly. It's just too bad that the Street had to become this prestine perfect world where even Oscar is nice!
And the fact is, political correctness and Stepford values have not fixed the world's problems. They just seem to add to them. While we're worrying about outdated clips and what Cookie Monster's doing, there are still disadvantaged children in this country, lack of education and motivation, and a seriously problem with bullying, as early as Kindergarden.
And all I'm seeing now is kids being told to follow the trend, enjoy the one popular character, and be like everyone else. Don't have any quirks or anything that separates you from the pack. As young as 2 years old they are being taught this. I don't understand how that is OK.
Wow, I just saw this rather cute Christmas cartoon called "The Forgotten Toys." This doll and Teddy Bear get thrown out the day after Christmas to make room for the newer, more popular and modern toys. They try to think of ways to get their kids to like them again and the Teddy suggests they change themselves to be more like the modern toys, or perhaps try to advertise a product on TV. It's rather painful to see actually. The doll finally says, "We are what we are, we can't be anything else."
Rather telling I think...
Anyway, they meet a Santa Claus-type character who tells them it's not falshy lights and batteries that make kids happy, but the love of the person giving the gift. Surprisingly nice.
Yes and even the various Scrooges in the multiple variants of the classic Charles Dickens tale learn a similar lesson. 'Tis too bad the real-life Scrooges can't seem to fathom it.
Heh. Grover reminds me a lot of interns and people who just found work, and they are both eager and willing to keep it as long as possible. Plus, he's just so darn litteral. And he's always constantly trying to please everyone, and over exherts himself. So he's both like an over active 3 year old, and a 20 year old in the work force.
This goes beyond PC and Stepford. Far more, into a deeper sinister attempt to make the richest kids seem like they're the worst off. I mean, didn't the Kosovo segment of "world According" talk about how they're going to make a segment about what to do when a kid finds a hand granade. I mean, that has to tell you that there's something unholy in this world.
It all goes back to uppermiddle class white washing the poor. Look at the Christmas commercials we have now. it's all upper MC people buying the most expensive stuff they can and being so dang smug and happy they were able to give everyone in their family a BMW. And half the kids out there need stuff from Toys for Tots (which has even less than usual due to rich stinginess and the rich toy companies using lead paint in China). We don't want to think about those less fortunate.
I mean, it all goes back to the fact we have a false sense of morals which has been bought out by religious fanatics and certain politicians. Now Morals mean hating people for being different, and voting for politicians that come from upper class backgrounds, and don't care for the poor they sell themselces to. Had we had real morals, we'd care about the poor, the sick, the dying. people that can't even live in the bustling city because developers keep pushing out the poor with Rent hikes, so spoiled rich 20 year olds can live in them. But that's just me.
I'd kill to see an episode in which Zoe or Elmo or someone gets really jealous that Abby has magical powers, and whines and whines about how they don't have them. In fact, they can't even see how great they have it because they can only see what they don't have. A nice little parelell to spoiled little kids that have millions of toys, and whine they don't have enough. I'm glad Arthur got into that, but I think they should have Elmo or Zoe teach them that as well.
I do agree we are developing a false sense of morality. I just think it's coming from both liberal and conservative politicans. Just in different ways. We're getting both fanatical secular and fanatical religious. From my point of view, it's best to side with neither group and think for ourselves, hehe. Everything in moderation.
Well said. Heck, a good percent of us are Christian and yet, we don't condemn other religions for believing in different ways, although the previous generations may be somewhat set in their ways (my own parents for one).
That has been my experience as well.
And it is from that experience that we instill morals into the generations to come.
I love both fanatical groups. They both help to make everyone one either side look like morons. But Most of my anger is the conservative politicians, and their religious groups. God hates X and X is not a true religion get me steamed up. That is not what Christ (or Mohammed, or anyone else) was talking about and they know it. but fear helps to control people, and gets them to vote for whomever they want them to vote for. I know people all have opinions, but sometimes it's best to keep them to themselves and find a way to compromise.
But that said, I just can't help thinking that the entire push the true problems away is the true reason why SS isn't as relevant. I mean, I see them do great things from time to time, like rerunning the hurricane episode, and then releasing it to DVD when Katrina hit (more than the government did, but I'm not going into that). And then the episode with Big Bird's racist (or species-ist) friend visits, and tells him not to hang out with anyone but Birds.
Heck, even the one where Elmo falls in love with Gina had a pretty powerful message behind it. But I see that less and less, because of that, and the fact they have to keep shoving in everything else they feel they need to teach.
That's why I refuse to say it's dumbed down, BTW. Dumbed down means taking things out. They're putting so many things in, it's getting cluttered, and everything's running together. They have to teach world culture, nutrition, Letters, numbers, social interactions, reading and writing, different languages, and more and still have 10-15 minutes of Elmo talking about feet (insert foot fetish joke here). In a 50 minute show (the show is technically 50 minutes now, not an hour) to have all these things bookended in makes it too cluttered to begin with, and with nutricion and reading so far, they shopwed that they have to be anything but subtle with the subject matter, meaning less room for the other things. And who wants to bet season 39 will deal with environmental problems? So, add to that, way too much.
If only they went back to the old days of one episode focusing on X subject and not to the, lets see how much we can cram into about 35 minutes.
Agreed. But alas, as long as the powers that be say that X should be the way things should go, then SS will sadly conform and act as if X is the only way to go.
Here's out I define the political problem. Repulicans politicans pretend to have morals. Democrat politians say they don't need any. Talk about "every way you look at this you lose!" Lol
And yes, I do get angry when politians use religion to get votes, it's very wrong. It's just that I'm also mad at politians who claim to be for tolerance, but then attack and try to remove people's beliefs from the society completely. Either way, there's a lot of hypocrisy here.
Bottom line thought, yes there are problems with both religious and secular groups. It's just important to remember not to stereotype and put everyone in the same box. Sesame Street has always said the same.
I agree that Sesame Street still occasionally focuses on important issues, like natural disasters, racism and love. But in my opinion, had they been done years ago, they would have been written multi layered, deep and sophisticated. Nowadays, the lessons that are taught are done very on the surface and simple.
But sadly, they're simple, because that's what the company that keeps it alive wants, most likely.
And a lot of soccer moms seem to be that way, too, hence why shows are watered-down and whatever, it seems.
Yeah, but I always just lump that in with the great comedians of Yesteryear. That's what Bert and Ernie are to me, and Grover isn't any different. I see a lot of Marx Brothers/Laurel and Hardy/ Abbot and Costello riffs in old gags like that.
Anyway, I just bought this set last night. I cannot wait to find a group of 4 year olds to corrupt, turning them into demon soldiers so I can try to TAKE OVER THE WORLD! YE-E-E-E-ES!
Well I've just started watching Old School DVD Volume 2, and I think it's even better than Volume 1 (and I don't often say that!). Though I did have an interesting thing happen to me the other day, lol. I told a few of my friends that I was watching it, and their reaction was pretty much, "Uh...WHY?...isn't that for kids?....aren't they just teaching you the alphabet? Lol"
Well, I did try to explain that the show used to more humor that adults could appreciate. Plus I've always been a bit fan of nostalgia.
But I find it interesting. Sesame Workshop says this DVD set is not meant for today's kids. And then my friends tell me the set's not meant for today's grown ups! Exactly who is this set meant for? Lol
In the end, I find it's best to think for yourself.
Well, to me, if anything... you know how they said what they said about Don Music and Roosevelt Franklin? That and the fact that the Joe Raposo song about touching stuff (the Petting Zoo film) could be taken wildly out of context by some idiot (ala I want a Monster to be my Friend) is the only thing even slightly objectionable.
Other than that, I think the only problem is that kids today have to all be treated like they have mental disabilities or something when it comes to education. Sort of like how they always give trophies to the worst kid in the class, just so that kid won't feel left out. It's just spoiling the kids. They just want another generation of kids that expect to have everything handed to them. And the people who run companies were raised like this, so you can see where that leads.
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