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Discussion in 'Sesame Street' started by Hubert, Jun 19, 2012.
thats what i was wondering
I truely hope its not all CGI'd up I don't even want to see CGI backgrounds
Painted backdrops all the way!!
CGI backdrops I have no problem with. The Muppets work well with them. Puppetry in general. I love how It's a Big Big World looked. Elmo the Musical has quite the atmosphere, and CGI backdrops make the segment come alive.
But I prefer this movie to have as minimal sound stage work, CGI or other, as possible and give the Muppet characters the outdoor on location film shoots that they deserve.
Agree to disagree.
I'm with iluvfragglerock, SST has come to rely on chromakey/blue or greenscreen WAY too heavily in recent years, it really takes away from the believability of the scene; I'm not talking about painted flats, but actual sets that are constructed, just simply having scenery superimposed behind a character looks and feels fake, but having them in an actual setting makes it more believable, more warm, more natural. I can understand for full-bodied puppetry, sure, but are they really THAT cheap and lazy to keep using blue and green screen as opposed to simply recycling and redressing sets? Heck, television used to do that ALL the time, you would see sets recycled from some shows and used again on other shows... Bewitched and I Dream of Jeannie recycled and borrowed sets from each other all the time... heck, you look at I Dream of Jeannie, and look down the street Tony Nelson lives on, and at the end of the street, you see Samantha and Darrin's house from Bewitched. Even in The Muppets (2011), was it so hard for them to allow Scooter to be filmed leaving Google headquarters?
No one can say that's not what Jim would've done; bluescreen was basically the main thing he did JHH for.
Chromakey hadn't become such a tool then as it has now, not to mention, Jim was known for trying all kinds of different methods and techniques; I'm not saying that he wouldn't rely on it often, but I don't think he would come to rely on it almost exclusively for everything like SST seems to these days.
Wonder what will happen with this now. We don't know how Elmocentric it was.
I hope its as good as The Muppets, or even better!
I hate to say it, but I think this project is most certainly dead - or it'll be a long time before we see it. Since the announcement, Sesame has gone through some major transitions and I really doubt the team is really ready to do a theatrical film.
I agree I think they will have to refocus and concentrate more on the show .
There's always a lull in between a project's announcement and it's development. When they announced plans for the movie, they didn't say they even had the barest of a plot. There needs to be time to get a working script in order. Not to mention the fact that they're filming a Muppet movie just now. I'm guessing it's going to be a while for a slight update. If the film really is dead in the water, it's going to be some time before we hear that news anyway.
If anything is going to kill this project, I doubt it really has to do with Kevin. More likely Fox looked at the box office of the previous two films and wept openly. As much as we loved FTB, that film didn't make all that much. EIG made even less.
That was a factor I've noticed since this project was announced. With the proper marketing on Fox's behalf, a new Sesame movie could be a modest success, but I can't see a Sesame movie crossing $50 million domestically, maybe even $40 million.
That said, I don't think we'll ever really understand why Follow That Bird underperformed the way it did. Though it seems like Warner Brothers wasn't going to give this movie a big push anyway. Just looking at theater counts for all of WB's 1985 movies, Follow That Bird's release was pretty small. A re-release of Gremlins that came out the same month was playing in more theaters in it's first weekend. I think WB just dumped it as a schedule filler for August. Even 15 years later, they still didn't learn their lesson (Iron Giant).
Elmo in Grouchland was a victim of bad timing and Sony's incompetence. I remember Grouchland came out when there was a huge slew of movies based on kids' shows that year hot off the heels of The Rugrats Movie being the monster hit it was. That and the Barney movie was still fairly fresh in parent's minds, surely as much respected a kids' franchise Sesame is than Barney, parents weren't about to spend more money for a movie based on a show from the same network. Sony didn't help by giving the movie such a limited release and interfering with the film the way they did.
FTB was the victim of the "we refuse to pay 10 bucks to watch something we can watch at home for free" mindset. The Simpsons had one movie and one animated short. Dragonball has 18. Cultural differences. The most a TV show had as far as movies in the US was Rugrats with 3 (technically 2 and a half, as it was a cross over, but you get the idea). But FTB was vindicated by history, and made it's money on home video and became a classic.
EIG was an example of the perfect, infallible idea being a failure because of how flawless it was. Elmo's popularity just started taking off, fresh on the heels of the TMX craze. There is no way the film should have failed, but it did. It was for an audience of kids that are, in general, too young to see and appreciate movies. Not to mention the fact that, again, we can watch Elmo for free at home. It made money on home video, which if it was a DTV project (it certainly had the look, unlike the lush realistic scene shoots of FTB), that would have been a good thing.
I've no doubt that Fox's marketing would launch the film into, at least a make the money back and change modesty that The Muppets had. The problem is, what the heck are we going to do about a plot? Especially of a show that's been on 40 years. That's probably what's holding this project back. A story worthy of a 90 minute plotline.
There was an interview with Joey Mazzarino about a month ago (it's on Vimeo, but it doesn't allow embedding) and he was asked about the possibility of a SST movie. He doesn't mention them being in the process of one, but acts really excited at the idea of one. So, the project may be on hold or cancelled.
Unless this project never got to the licensing stage. I wonder if Fox announced plans for a Sesame Street movie but never contacted Sesame Workshop for the intent to make one. I've heard of this happening before. Announcing a project before either before the production company acquires the rights to or realizing they never had those rights in the first place.
That's all I have to say.
Talk about a let down.
Well, it certainly didn't help that one of the main cogs in their clock left.
True, but there is that old saying, "The show must go on"; after all, they could have let Jim's passing be a stumbling block for them, but they pressed on, Jim would have wanted it that way, and I think Kevin would want to them to continue on and not let what happened to him become a stumbling block for them as well.
Something tells me negotiations fell through pretty early on, at least Fox backing out. I'm sure if the film even went to the drawing tables Joey would have heard about it one way or another. The fact that someone that's pretty high up doesn't know what's going on says this movie wasn't going to happen in the first place.
I can't believe that mindset exists. Yeah, they can watch the show at home for free, but not that particular story (or they have to wait... and people will have to wait a lot longer to see it on TV than buying the DVD).
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