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NEW Muppet Poster

Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by bknatchbull, Jul 11, 2011.

  1. Reevz1977 Well-Known Member

    Turns out I didn't:D
    I have just got to emphasise that I am really not sore at Disney for not being able to look at my artwork. I was fairly naive sending the artwork through directly. Since that time I have had a relationship of sorts with Disney and am more familiar with the way things work and with regards to me ever doing any work for them, lets just say never say never;)

    That said, I still sincerely dislike this poster and shall attempt to explain why...

    To me, this poster looks like a job that has been rushed together and thrown out the door (take the money and run if you will). It has probably been done by a marketing agency who have little or no regard for the material and are in it just for a fat wedge of cash. The concept is poor...I mean REALLY poor! If it was an attempt to parody the TS3 poster it failed miserably!! If it was made to serve as an introduction to the Muppets...it failed again. Does anyone remember the teaser campaign for TS3. They started out with maybe a dozen single character posters re-introducing the characters and eventually built up to a full on character driven image. This would have been 1000% better than this horrendous effort.

    Next up is the the actual craft of the poster. In addition to being an Illustrator I am a fulltime Retoucher and the image that has been sent out here I would regard to as the "Raw" image. It needs so much love and attention to give it some life. The Muppet posers, for me at least, ALWAYS look bad. They are lifeless, inanimate objects that do the characters, and the performances given by the puppeteers little justice. Kermit in particular here is just simply terrible. This poster need so much work in order to something I would consider acceptable. What about exaggerating a characters smile? Give life to the eyes? Exaggerate the poses? Make the armatures straight and even resemble a proper skeleton as opposed to bent metal covered in felt? And what about actually giving the poses some thought??? Fozzie holding his hat, Waldorf doing the rabbit over Statler - have we not seen this enough already? ? ? ? And look at poor Rowlf. People will probably say "well if you retouch them, they won't look like the puppets". To that I say walk into any Ferrari showroom with a Ferrari poster and tell me they look the same. Its about making them look their best! ! ! !

    I'm sorry if I seem ranty, miserable, not in the spirit of thing or if people feel my comments are unjust. All I can say is (with the exception of my Threadless submission Dr Tooth;)) I put everything into every piece of work I do and get very annoyed when I see lazy pieces of artwork like this. There are some incredible talented people who would give anything to work on this brand - just take a look at all other other Threadless submissions other than mine, people who would have made a significantly better effort than this and I simply cannot celebrate mediocrity, even if it's the Muppets.
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  2. frogboy4 Inactive Member

    They should totally use your idea for the marketing campaign. I'm a little sore this morning at Disney marketing team, but the one thing that actually makes me happy is the notion that I'm in good company! I don't understand the inner-politics, but it has little to do with quality work. Are you ever going to proceed with the theater portrait?
  3. Duke Remington Active Member

    Now, that's just getting a bit pushy and hostile, don't you think?

    It's just a measly poster, folks. It's not something to lose sleep over. Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean that it's bad or that the rest of the world will hate it. It's wrong to nullify a company just because of one teeny-weeny little thing that you personally didn't care for.

    Can we please a bit more supportive? After all, Disney has spent TONS of money on the movie and they're going to need all the support they can get if we going to want the big Muppet comeback we've all been clamoring for for so long.
  4. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I was thinking and want to point out that, while they may be trying to parody the TS3 poster and possibly make people relate thde quality of TS to the muppets, there is a flaw with their reasoning.

    The jumbled, "wook at all da pwetty characters" look works for 3S because they are toys. What do you see when you open a toy box? A jumble of toys. It is as if the poster is a window looking down into a toybox. It looks natural because it is a sight we are used to.

    Now look at the muppets poster. They are not toys and represent living creatures. People do not stand on top of each other in an odd jumbled fashion. Therefore, to see the muppets essentially stacked on top of each other in odd poses is not natural. It would look better if there was some kind of perspective that gives the illusion they are standing behind each other on a sloped ground.

    Just a theory. *shrugs*
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  5. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Even by that logic I greatly disliked that TS3 poster, as I stated (really, check out the ones I posted a page back everybody). It was a jumbled mess of "150 new characters to collect" and not (poster 1) "Woody and friends are in a strange new world. Is this a Good thing?" or (Poster 2) "There's trouble everyone seems to be running away from, but it's all in good fun."

    Now, I have to admit, I really appreciate the teaser poster, and the "Don't call it a come back" vibe it gave... this one seems to just be the same "Gotta Catch them ALL!" feeling the TS3 poster had without adding anything of what the movie is going to be about, any suspense, or anything really exciting.

    I like Reeve's idea here... Have separate smaller posters with one or two of several characters on each with either... A) some sort of small caption (I can picture a Statler and Waldorf one with this exchange... :boo: Whatever you do, DON'T see this movie! :sleep: Hey... but if they don't, we won't get paid :boo:Oh... uh... Whatever you do, PLEASE see this movie) or B) Interacting with the M logo... (say, have Animal trying to eat it or Gonzo carrying it while Rizzo lies on top of it).

    Now what REALLY would have been great is if they got either Amy or Roger or one of the Muppet comics illustrators to draw something up.
  6. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm not saying I like the TS poster, I really dont. I was looking at it more as a technical aspect (if thats the right word) than if I like it or not. Yes, Reeve's idea is much better.

    (why do you think I said "look at the pretty toys" in a mocking way ;) )
  7. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    It took me forever, but I finally got why this poster bugs me....

    lack of depth.

    Check out these posters with a whole bunch of characters on them...

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    [IMG] (please ignore the poorly photoshopped Piggy Head... I couldn't find the original picture)

    They aren't all smushed together in front... one character is in front, everyone else is behind them in neat little rows, some poking their heads out...

    You can get a LOT of characters in a shot without making it look too crowded and jumbled.
  8. ZeppoAndFriends Well-Known Member

    Like: The selection of characters.

    Don't like: The fact that it's just a bunch of posers jumbled together.

    Know that's been said, but I just wanted to express my displeasure. The posers worked for the teaser poster, but don't here. I hope the posters to come look better than these. :sigh:
  9. Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Just some random observations about the new muppet poster:
    Kermit posed like this looks...young. I can't decide if it's because it's an adolescent pose (very tweenish) or if there's something different about the face. Like the other puppets similar to Kermit, SO MUCH depends on the muppeteer and when there isn't one, well, it looks different. Personally, I guess I'd have to say I prefer the more cynical, grumpy, sardonic looking Kermit (yes, yes--have a field day with my psyche) like the one we see in the "Eats flies. Date's a pig." posters because...hm...because he looks so confident, so sure of himself in those poses. In this pose, he looks a little tentative about his approval. But, like Piggy, I'll take Kermit on any terms he's available!
    Er...not sure how to say this but, well, Piggy girls are very much on display. I like that they are treating her like a grown-up--because she IS very much a grown-up girl, but that did surprise me a little. And--regardless of what Sophia says, Piggy needs a little more blush. Her dreamy blue eyes need a little blush to shine best.
    I LOVED Fozzie--sometimes he gets short shrift and his is--at all times--completely adorable. This is a nice pose for him--and a visual joke. (Hold on to your hat, folks--it's going to be a bumpy ride!)
    And Scooter is also a cutie, but I'm back to that sort of adolescent thing. I'm ready for Scooter to get to be a little more grown up. (He WAS hitting on the chorus girls in IAVMMC...hm, wait. That might still be an adolescent thing.)
    Other nice comments: Janice's eyes and lips look luscious. Gonzo is spanking with his usual sexy-geek look. Um, Animal is very animated (but bears a disturbing resemblance to Mario). Beaker's great looking (and has a nice personality to boot!)
    Yes--I would definitely like one for my wall--especially the sexy-geek Gonzo part....
  10. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't doubt they would... but that's if there are others. Again, something suggests this is an international poster (the Bringlish use of the word "Cinemas").

    Really... does anyone just in general dislike the look of movie posters from the past 15 or so years?
  11. theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    There will be more. If this was a US poster we'd be seeing it all over eBay like now... much like we did with the first teaser. It's an international poster, and we're bound to see an official, non-teaser United States poster very soon. Those other Toy Story posters you showed, Drtooth, I believe were international versions as well. I doubt this poster is the one we'll see gracing movie theaters in the United States--or maybe even over seas as well--come this fall. More is definitely to come.
  12. dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    I'm sure we will to but I still don't understand what the big deal is over the poster. I mean at least Disney is doing something with the Muppets, and that something is something we have been wanting for a very very long time. Yea sure there are going to be little hits and misses but for frog sake stop bashing Disney! Back in 2005 when Disney bought the Muppets I thought well they will do a few direct to video things, and try and kid the Muppets down. (kind of what they did with Mickey) But after time Disney has found that they really can make some money off the Muppets. Why? because the Muppets have a huge fan base and they are steping in the right direction with this movie as well. I mean have you seen any of the previews? Even if the script stinks (doughtfull) we will get to see some almost forgoten Muppets be brought back to the spotlight, and for any Muppet fan that alone should make you as giddy as a school girl on prom night!
  13. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We're not bashing Disney. We're offering, at least some of us are, constructive criticism. Quite honestly, there's rarely been a movie poster in the past 15 years I liked (with, maybe the exception of some of Pixar's stuff and the beautiful Princess and the Frog poster), and it's all due to photoshoots over illustration and CGI composites of said photos.

    Nothing's uglier than Smurf butts caught in an NYC subway train, so I can't say this one is bad. Just... it needs work and the first one was much better. Sometimes less IS more.

    Honestly, I could care less how the poster looks if the movie's going to be good... but it's a real shame we didn't get something much more in step with the classic Muppet Movie posters of yore....
  14. Ruahnna Well-Known Member

    Just a quick note to soothe both sides:

    Fact 1: Fans are notoriously inky-pinky about the details of our fandom(s). It's what separate us from people who WATCH shows but are not really FANS.
    Fact 2: Inky-pinky or not, fans who whine are less likely to get more of what we want.

    I certainly don't want Disney, for example, to look at this forum as some sort of test for what will sell to the general public--we are the crazed, the intense, the huddled masses yearning to be...oh. Ahem. Sorry. Where was I? Ooh! BUT--and this is a big but--if we are going to revel in all of our intense inky-pinky-ness, isn't this exactly the place to do it? At the forum where the casual fan is unusual? And the crazed, er, um, extremely informed fan is the norm?

    If the intensity level bothers you on one part of this forum--whether too much or too little, I'm sure there are other fans here at the forum happy to interact with you who are more on the same level. What say the people?

    Can we get a big, muppety hug?
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  15. Sgt Floyd Well-Known Member

    I dontthink anyone is bashing Disney. Heck, I like Disney more than most people on here. I think what people are upset about is that its the return of the muppets and this poster just does not do anything to get people excited about it. To someone who is not familiar with the muppets, it could come across as "Oh. Its just a bunch of puppets...big deal." It doesnt instill interest in the movie like previous movie posters have.

    Now, as other people have said, movie posters in general now tend to stink. I really couldn't care less if the poster is stinky but the movie is good. But is that a crime to comment on what you dislike about something? No one has really said anything harsh and talking about it in a mature way. A lot of "fan" groups are quick to actually make threats against a company when they dont like something.
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  16. No1MuppetFan Member

    I agree with what MOST of you are saying about the poster...
    I can understand the purpose of the 'Crushed' together look - colours, etc...
    But I still (like most of you) would like to see a scene being played up, some action that suggests what the film is about, perhaps THIS poster is being worked on?

    But I must say the worst thing about this poster is Piggy! I do not understand why she can't look 'good' anymore. But as somebody has already pointed out, it's in the positioning of her eyes. As seen in the 'altered' poster, a slight diagonal lean of her eye makes an incredible difference and I'm just surprised Disney gave the all clear before this was picked up upon.
    Kermit's pose is very immature, young, whatever - they could have gone with something more simple. Even the Muppet Home Video pose is better than this...[IMG]
  17. beaker Well-Known Member

    Reevz is right on. I wouldnt even be caught hanging any of these Muppet 2011 posters up. They just flat out suck, and look almost creepy.

    Yeah, where was the real slow teaser roll out like TS3 as Reevz said? Why not have FOUR different lobby posters, each showing an extreme closeup of the body of kermit, or gonzo, or piggy, or fozzie or just theyre fur with a "it's time to light the lights. This November" tagline. Can anyone tell me that wouldn't have been awesome?

    And that's just the teaser posters they could have had last Holiday season or early this year. The Euro and America Muppet posters just look uninviting. Theres such a huge wealth of talented artists in Muppetdom and in the industry at large, and they just went with sloppy.

    You guys keep saying "they're holding it close to their chest", but with four months to go and little promotion they must be holding it realll close to their chest. This definitely has been nothing compared to the TS3 promotion.
  18. Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I give it August... that's when a bunch of merchandise was slated to come out. I actually FOUND the last surviving Disney Store around me (Thanks Simon Malls monopoly! :sigh:) and the only Muppet stuff I saw was 2 Animal Shirts (hard to tell if they were new or not) and the Vynalmations they still had. Nothing else, not even a beach blanket. But it looks like they all the sudden started putting out new movie specific Pooh stuff. And, again, that's hard to tell since they've been milking Pooh for years.

    Still... I don't think I've seen ANY posters yet, but the theater I frequent only has old ones anyway....
  19. beaker Well-Known Member

    Here's a large version of the poster. It's like the bottom half looks good, with Janice and Fozzie. But then we get into amateur faux paus all around: http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50333
  20. douggy Member

    I wouldn't stick up for Disney, i very much doubt they care about what we think. They're just pumping this out for the $.
    If they were doing it for the fans (which is what some of you have put) then they'd actually take some time on it, we're not stupid, rather than getting someone to do it in photoshop. You have half an hour, GO! Drop Shaows! i like you're thinking!
    This is just being pumped out to make a quick buck, you can smell it a mile off.
    having said all that, i really do hope the film's good and I hope that you are all able to tell me to eat my own words. It's just not the muppets though, just seems like some lame cash in.
    I personally haven't liked the muppets since Jim passed away, sure the old voice talents are still here and there and there are little moments, but i just don't buy it. The charm and bite has gone. I don't get why people are still getting excited about new muppet stuff. For the cleaner looking puppets? I don't know..

    As a true fan of Henson's work I really cannot enjoy anything that's made under his name and legacy after he's been gone for 20+ years. It's just baffling to me.

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