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Discussion in 'Muppet Merchandise' started by a_Mickey_Muppet, Apr 11, 2011.

  1. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Hear me... I want them to fail and realize that it was a big mistake not letting Boom re-negotiate the license. Though something tells me that's like asking the universe to turn itself inside out.

    Strike One! Muppet and Pixar comics license pulled before Incredibles can finish their story AND before the Muppets can publish their last arc.

    Strike two: Classic and International Disney Reprints license pulled. To be fair, Boom stopped publishing Double O Duck and Duck Avenger comics, so other than the fact I've got 2 months to find 50 bucks to buy the Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck before the price skyrockets and I have to wait another decade, I can't say I'm horribly disappointed... but still, crummy thing to do.

    Third Strike, Final offense, last straw: Disney afternoon license gone.... Now, presumably they could make money off these bad kid's magazines if they keep putting Cars on the cover (I don't see them sell), but I severly doubt Disney would want anything to do with Disney Afternoon shows. Even when they made T-Shirts for sale at Hot Topic Only, they manage tho screw up the coloring on the Darkwing shirt. They refuse to finish the series they released on DVD, there's no way they'll post them online themselves... why pull a license you want nothing with that someone else was doing something brilliant with?
  2. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    In a way the Boom thing reminds me of Dreamwave...from the fan's perspective(not management wise) While Dreamwave collapsed because the people running it were wildly running around mismanaging the funds, if you were a fan it was very similar.
    Dreamwave had the absolute most gorgeous looking comics in 2002-2004. But, much of the focus went into way too many Transformers titles. (IDW just looks terrible)

    Fast forward to Boom, a bit too many Muppet titles, and then...none. Dreamwave had Megaman, Ninja Turtles, Transformers, etc...and then suddenly collapsed. Boom Kids is dead pretty much with all the amazing Muppets, Pixar and 80's/90's Afternoon Disney titles canceled(and man, I have to say they were amazing even tho Im not as big a fan as Dr Tooth is)

    Whats going to happen to all that talent? I say they should form a new company. Heck I'd release rogue unlicenced doujinshi Roger Rabbit titles.

    But yeah it's total baloney. That's why I say we need an unofficial Muppet comic zine online, with several pages and pinups from across the deviant art/fan landscape ala UK Sonic fans. There's NOTHING redeemable or good about the Disney Muppet comic covers. They're terrible. I don't care if my best friend drew that, it's terrible.
    I havent seen em, but it just sounds lame. Why not make an official MAGAZINE, like Star Wars Insider or like the official magazines for other properties?
  3. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Well all Disney licenses were yanked at once, so it's one big strike. Im just wondering where that talent is going to go.

    I really have come to agree with Joe Murray in his blogs on how indie and free is the way to go. I mean if the creator of Rocko and Lazlo is now exclusively doing online animation content, it's a sign. Heck, Nine Inch Nails and countless other bands now release their albums for free. Some of the best current comic serials Ive seen are webcomics. I mean lets face it, despite comic based movies making kazillions in annual BO gross, not many people buy comics(I laugh at DC launching "52#1's" and the new Spiderman being a black/latino gay teen...the industry is trying too hard to save a sinking ship. I go to comic cons, I talk to industry people on and offline. The writing is on the wall. Indie and online is the way to go.
    All this year Ive been teaching myself animation, after effects, 3dmax, premiere editing etc...no classes, no online "full sail" type enrollment classes, no companies. Just a strong vision and a will to create every day with storyboards, concepts and bringing it into minute episodes. Almost a decade ago I launched an online webcomic series which got a pretty sizeable following in 2003/2004, and unless one gets lucky by getting picked up by a publisher(or in the case of animation, the one in a zillion chances of getting put on tv) it's the way to go.
  4. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Actually no. The licenses were yanked one after another. They were all separate parts of a license, otherwise the Disney reprints would have gone away with the Muppet/Pixar line. Still, it's a VERY lousy thing to do. Aaron is supposedly trying to get the Disney Afternoon license back (because, let's face it, Disney didn't care bout TDA since the 90's, despite the huge cult nostalgic fanbase). On the other hand, at least this proves the Muppets didn't get special treatment, or Untreatment as the case may be.

    Who do current main stream comics appeal to? I always hear the people at the comic store complaining about them and how they're so convoluted. No casual person's gonna walk into an issue and not be confused (which is why I never followed the Sonic comics until the Genisis arc).... and of course wannabe fake geeks just buy the T-Shirts. Indie stuff tries harder and comes up with gold. I just got the preview issue of Snarked, and I found it brilliant. Plus really... all this convoluted Post Crisis/Brightest Day/Flashpoint crap... WHY did you have to drag Plasticman into all this serious heavy garbage if he's a PARODY character? GAW! The stuff's already impossible to follow. Give us something FUN! That's why when I read the main stream stuff, I only go for kid's/cartoon versions of the characters. I want to read this stuff to have FUN!
  5. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    i got my copy of the new muppet comic book..i think its neat! and the guy gave me a NEW darkwing duck comic too! :D
  6. j3h

    j3h Active Member

    Cool...but too bad Boom! is losing the "Disney afternoon" lic. too as of end of oct.
  7. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    The magazines are NOT worth it... not one bit. Boom did great stuff with all the licenses, Marvel's basically sitting on it and giving us "Here! Now SHUT UP and buy new Spider-Man" releases.

    I hope Aaron can renegotiate it. But it won't happen.
  8. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    ....mr. negative there! :rolleyes: ...just let it be!
  9. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    Yeah... several great comics that were hot sellers are being pulled out of the capable hands for the copyright owners to sit on. Maybe in 2 years, we'll get the same stories reprinted on toilet paper stock instead of new stories. What's not to like?
  10. beaker

    beaker Well-Known Member

    Actually, having thumbed through it at Toys R Us...while I hate the covers, and the paper is more on the cheaper side...it's very very awesome to have the TPB reprinted for people at $6. Not a lot of people would be as exposed to the comics as they may with this being at grocery stores and whatnot.

    Though I have a feeling fans are going to be whining about "where's season 4 of TMS dvd and where's Langridge's final issue" for eons to come.

    Btw Dr Tooth, you NEED to pick up the latest Sonic series and Sonic Universe. The art and coloring is some of the best Im seeing, storylines are epic, so many characters of both the games(including obscure characters) and from the comic canon.
  11. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    You hit the nail on the head right there with "having thumbed through [the Muppets comic book reissue] at Toys R Us...". How cool is that? It's at froggin' Toys R Us. Now the toddler-like covers and the economy-grade paper makes perfect sense. This reprint is for a different crowd.

    Let's face it. The Muppets need young new fans if they are going to be popular again for the long term. This cancellation of Boom in favor of these reprints may have angered the Muppets' base fans in favor of gaining new ones, but they've already hooked us. We'll be back. This decision is smart and a little bit cold, but doesn't it warm your heart to know that a new generation of youngsters is going to learn all about Kermit and his friends? Maybe they'll even stop yelling "Elmo" at the screen when they seen Animal in the new theatrical trailers. Yes, this did happen to me recently.

    What's happening with Disney:

    The entire entertainment landscape is joining the rest of America by taking aggressive efforts at belt-tightening. Disney is no different. They're finding the best ways to make more bang for their buck. I wouldn't be surprised if this was their plan with Boom all along. Have then take the financial risk and test the waters. They're probably formulating a plan to keep things in house especially now that they own Marvel. That was a mammoth investment that will take years to recoup.

    Disney is axing beloved soaps, popular dramas like Desperate Housewives and fairytale based films in order to maximize profits. All of these make substantial money. They're just not the next best thing. Entertainment is a fickle business.

    I hope Disney does better by the Muppets in quality and fan appreciation. Right now it's about creating a new audience base in order to maximizing earnings.
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  12. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member


    But frankly, you can see the SAME single issues of Kaboom comics at TRU as well. Sure, this crap is for the snot eaters that color the pages, but honestly, I don't think it's going to sell. I still see LOTS of Cars comics magazines sitting on the shelves. Other than adding them to grocery stores and Wal*Marts, there's no real improvement. No new stories, crappy stock paper, lousy covers... unless you didn't bother and missed the 3 reprints of them already, there's no use wasting money here. Sure, it's for kids... but kids don't read magazines anymore.

    But there is NO EXCUSE for pulling the Disney Afternoon license. Pixar films are Disney's bread and butter, The Muppets, at the very least, have a movie coming out... their attitude has been "Oh, snap? We own Darkwing Duck? Huh!" and then go back to promoting the heck out of Disney Jr's TERRIBLE shows. We didn't get the full series on DVD, we got a crappy miscolored T-Shirt, there's an impossible to find, scalper price inflated DA Vynalmation set... that's it. The Darkwing Duck series was giving fans a sense of official continuity. We got closure after Darkwing was frozen in Maple Syrup when the show uneventfully ended. Comics aren't just merchandise... it's new media. Sure, Disney will jump to its feet to make a Cars 3, if the movie goes well, another Muppet project... but us Darkwing and TDA fans will have to go back to unofficial fan fics or complaining about the episode production caps. We didn't even get a satisfactory ending to Rescue Rangers, nor did we even get Talespin or Gummi Bears or any of the other TDA classics. I don't even think they're going to bother making crap reprints of that for kids who are 10+ years too young to remember them.
  13. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I understand your thoughts on it and agree with a lot of your points, but I also understand Disney's reasoning. This is a bad short-term decision for fans, but they seem to be thinking long-term. Either way it's a done deal now. We can only hope for the best. I don't care what the label or if we only get reissues right now. I want these comics to sell well.
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  14. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but you see, right now means that's ALL they're planning to do period. I'll graciously let the Muppet comics slide, but Marvel and Disney WILL NOT do anything based on Darkwing Duck. This is all just a cheap little keeping it in the family cash consolidation.

    I do not see anything more than Pixar magazine reprints that don't sell (they don't! Trust me! They don't!) until they just give up on it, and then proceed on killing more Marvel heroes off and bringing them back to try to shake up a sluggish mainstream comics market. I do not trust Marvel with or without Disney to do anything licensed or sublicensed, no matter how we beg and plead. Indie is where all the licenses from Transformers to Shrek to Spongebob go. The Archie Mega Man comics are selling so well, even if I go on a Wednesday when it comes out, I'm not even guaranteed a variant cover no matter how early I am. With the Muppet and Disney Afternoon comics, I found myself having to leave earlier and earlier on a Wednesday to make sure I get them at all. That's how strong they sold. Where as, I see the same Cars magazines 5 and 6 issues deep shoved in between Tiger Beat and Tween Scream magazines. The print media is dying off, and magazines folded left and right. Even Nickelodeon doesn't publish them anymore.

    Smart would have been letting Boom KEEP the license and having Marvel sub-licenses them fro rerpints. BOTH people would be happy, not just an imaginary focus group that won't buy them. Why favor a potential audience you're not guaranteed over loyal fans who would gladly skip eating to buy these comics? There HAS to be someone we can complain to.
  15. j3h

    j3h Active Member

    Well, with all the reprinting, I hope they get a digital release....I want them on my iPhone. (still would love the motion comic too)
  16. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Seriously, does anyone know who I can send polite letter of disappointment to that's in charge at Disney and or Marvel? Maybe a letter writing campaign will light a fire under them to keep Disney Afternoon comics coming.
  17. j3h

    j3h Active Member

    Didn't work directly talking to Joe Q at SDCC.
  18. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    We got Mega Man Legends 3'd out of this, didn't we?
  19. a_Mickey_Muppet

    a_Mickey_Muppet Well-Known Member

    Um hows it feel or look like "toilet paper stock"? I feels just like a magazine! I hated how "hard" or sandy the BOOM! paper felt at 1st on 1st released comics!!!
  20. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    Okay, it's more like Parade Magazine stock. That little magazine people get in Sunday editions of the paper....

    Yeah, I hated when Boom had that terrible non-glossy paper stock, but that was a cost issue. Even the artists complained, because they lost a lot of detail and the colors started appearing off. Of course, they switched back, which is probably why their other non-Muppet lines... in fact all their lines now cost the extra buck. Not that I mind. Glossy stock has become the norm. But the comics I buy have pretty sturdy glossy stock.

    The Muppet magazine stock is better than the Cars magazine (very thin and flimsy), but still not as good as comic book paper stock.

    Still, I hope to see, even if it's a movie one shot, an official comic with NEW material. They have a habit of releasing magazines when a movie comes out, even to the extent of the Phineas and Ferb telefilm getting one. I desperately want that one. I hope Borders has some in stock while they're clearing stuff out.


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