Muppets on Late Night, Blooper Reels and Wrap Tapes

Wow let's see haha cause I could talk about Kermit & Piggy for hours it's not like my icon gives it away or anything. LOL! But anyways...I will say that on The Muppet Show it was hard to read Kermit's feelings for Piggy. At times it seemed he was attracted to her even becoming jealous in a few episodes but beyond that it was pretty much one sided. The funny thing is is when Kermit does become jealous he makes no means to hide it. If you saw The Fabulous Miss Piggy show Kermit became extremely jealous probably the most I've seen him then on TMS. And then when Piggy sings "You Light Up My Life" you could tell when Kermit was listening to her sing and Gonzo tells him he was starting to glow I don't know how you could not see Kermit had feelings for her at that moment. And the great thing about that is is it was just like TMS with the backstage stuff. So no one could argue it was only within a movie.

I would say Kermit's feelings showed more after TMS. I would say between Muppet Caper and after MTM. Jim's Kermit was more harder to read as far as feelings go towards Piggy then Steve's. I always joke that it depended on Jim's mood if he wanted Kermit & Piggy to be a couple. I will say Jim was more having Kermit admit they were together after MTM. I know the movies are just that movies but in some ways it does kinda play into their real lives. Because even in MTM even though Kermit denied the wedding was only within the film Jim was starting to have Kermit admit more that they were a couple. Yeah he still denied at times but didn't seem as constricted with it as before. And when Jim was in Arsenio Hall one of his last apperances even though Kermit said they were having issues with their relationship he still was acknowleding they were together. It was possibly a new take Jim was taking with Kermit although that's just speculation because he past away shortly after that apperance. And then the talks of selling his company to Disney sort of got put off.

Obviously the recent film played into Kermit & Piggy's real lives because now Kermit has consistantly admitted in every single interview that him and Piggy are in fact dating and have been together for 35 years. I should note Kermit denied they were dating until the film was released. So it was obviously something Steve and Eric possibly discussed that they finally just be a proper couple.

I just remember in an interview Steve did a few years ago in that he said it's important for Kermit to always be himself but you can't have his character get stale you always have to be finding new ways to develop his character and keep it fresh. I think this was a perfect example of Steve taking a new turn on Kermit by not having him deny there's anything between him and Piggy. I dont think Disney played any part in that either. Disney might own The Muppets but I don't think they have THAT much say on what the puppeteers can and can't say.

Yeah I think in the last year or so, Disney has been giving The Muppets more respect. But when they first got bought there was Muppets TV for France, Steve being temporary replaced on Dancing with The Stars and MTV. But just for a positive note. I really loved the From The Balcony web series. I watched that every week when it was on Movies.com. And I'm fortunate to have gotten the episodes from a tape trade. My favorite was the Woody Allen Muppet and the alien from Brats of The Lost Nebula "What? Your the alien? You look like a TV dinner! Don't shoot, I vaberize easily!" lol I've told that one to people I've seen and they just don't get the joke. lol

But yeah, I remember Steve's quote. Though I guess I have my own opinions about the current vs. the new, but to be polite I'll just kept that to myself here. I would hate to get into any kind of misunderstandings and bitterness because I just love this forum. Where else can I express my love for The Muppets with like minded people

But yeah, Eric Jacobson is doing a great job. It's amazing how this guy can master all of Frank's characters.

Have you ever seen Grover on Jimmy Kimbel (sorry about the spelling, that and math not my best subjects lol)? He was promoting this Sesame Exersice DVD and he was about to get into a fight with some celebrity who makes a wise crack about him. "You want to take this one outside? Come on let's go, you and me." lol

Then there was one with Fozzie and Ozzy Osborune "What am I doing talking to a ****in' glove puppet?" Fozzie looks shocked then I think he grawled a bit at Ozzy then Rizzo has an Ozzy action figure shouting from the audience "YO FOZZIE, Check this out. It's Ozzy!" and Rizzo is moving the Ozzy figure like a puppet. But of course this wasn't his first appearance with The Muppets. I still remember his duet with Miss Piggy singing Born to be wild on Kermit Unpigged. Just in case you never heard this album, it's great. I've owned the tape to it. I need the CD though. Used to listen to it all the time in my childhood.

You know who I would just love to see as a guest on late night? Animal. Just Animal sitting on that chair answering questions from the host. I would laugh like crazy. lol

Here's an interesting one. An old(ish) interview that Kermit and Fozzie did to promote the DVD release of Season 3 of TMS. Towards the end of the interview Chuck the Movie Guy mentions a bonus feature that's not on the DVD (wonder where he got his information from?). Steve and Eric are clearly a little confused, but they handle it like the pros they are (Fozzie even quietly tells Kermit that that particular feature isn't on the DVD).

Now that's my kind of Muppets To me, that's Kermit and that's Miss Piggy.
I noticed that it said "Special Material Written by Jerry Juhl" wow, I miss Jerry. I would have loved to read his original unaltered script for Muppets From Space. That must have been his last work with The Muppets. Great Writer. Always laughing and smiling when he's being interviewed. I think I have the 2 minute interview podcast that I bought for 99 cents on Amazon.com, it's really cool.

But yeah, like you mentioned Jim's Kermit was more hard to read but I like that. "Gee, well he doesn't have webbed feet. Well I like Cinderella." curtain over his face "I can't see the stage" "Your safer that way." lol

I remember this Christopher Reeve episode where Miss Piggy had a giant crush on him and Kermit kept stocking her feeling a bit jealous. "Gee, she never called me a beautiful brute." I need to see that episode again. I don't even remember if anything else happened within that plot in that episode. Please, anybody refresh my memory. lol Seasons 4 and 5 aren't on DVD yet. lol

Go on YouTube all the episodes of seasons 4 and 5 are there. It's the best we can do till Disney works out copyright issues to get the last two out on DVD. :/

Like I said the funny thing with Kermit is is when he is jealous he doesn't try to hide it. Lol.

Remember The Muppet Movie Screen Test where Kermit finds out that Miss Piggy kit Miss Mousey and cut her in half? lol I think it was sort of a reference to The Muppets Valentine Show where Kermit had this crush on Miss Mousey and I think Kermit danced with her a few times in a couple of At The Dance Spots.

Yep, Kermit did have a few affairs that Piggy doesn't know about. In 1971, he made out with Diane Carol on The Flip Wilson Show. One of my favorite appearances. lol

Couldn't find it on the internet, but when looking...

Ironicly I found this gem 07:17, you can see Jim's head

Man Miss Piggy must have beat him up for this one. lol

Piggy beats Kermit up for everything. Lol.

Yes but Piggy didn't even appear till 1976 so you can't really count that as an affair.

That is true. Though before that she appeared on Herb Alpert back in 1974 with her agent (before Bernie of course lol, the reference of Jim's agent lol),


but she was performed by Jerry Nelson. Then recycled for the 2nd Muppet Show pilot Sex & Violence in 1975, then back to The Muppet Show as a choris girl in The Muppet Glee Club and that was love at first site. But again, not performed by Frank just yet, it was Richard Hunt and he did such a hilarious job. But I just can't imagion Richard's voice being part of her today. lol But yeah Piggy and Kermit worked first worked together not only on season one of TMS in 1976, but episode 1



Yet I still wonder, her first spoken quote in that episode is when Kermit says "Piggy Honey? You can take the solo?" she replies, "Yes my love." So I wonder if there was some kind of off camera romance in The Muppet Workshop perhaps lol

Though it seems like she doesn't karate chop other people as she used too, perhaps she's getting settled with Kermit. lol

Anyway, here's one of my favorites from the 90s.

I've seen that one. That was a good one.

I used to own a copy, taped it off of late night tv. I think I transmited the tape to DVD then I got a better quality version from a tape trade later. I miss Muppets Tonight. I would watch it and tape it every Friday night, ABC and Disney Channel. I was so surprised later to discover the uncut versions with 5 to 10 minutes of extra gags like Purple Rain Man, I was laughing like crazy. lol

Also, there was an episode of TMS during the second season where Piggy was jealous because Kermit was singing a duet with Miss Mousey.

In those days, it was more along the lines of Piggy thinking she was Kermit's girl, and Kermit constantly denying it. But we all know he had feelings for her even then.

According to Jerry Juhl, in the script for episode 1, Piggy was simply "Chorus Girl". I don't think they had quite developed the idea of the "frog and the pig" at that early stage.

Yeah and the whole Karate Chop thing came about Frank being fusterated because he couldn't make a slap look believeable with a puppet so one take he just went, HIIIIIYAAA! And everyone was laughing like crazy and it was a keeper. lol

Also in season 1 there was something with Lidia the Tattooed Lady (The Marx Brothers song) "Piggy, have you meet Lidia?" "NO, have you meet my left fist?" POW!


You know I had this on my mind a few days ago and I wanted to bring this up somewhere on the forum. I guess this might be an appropirate place.

Miss Piggy hated Anne Sue Pig but didn't mind 10 years later Kermit's present to her, the pink "Muppet Family Christmas" saying that she warships the ground she walks on. Maybe because she wasn't a pig. lol Was that Mink a parody of Maryl Streep or Barbra Streisand? I remember she had an accent.


There's this clip from Johnny Carson with Kermit that's really funny. I just love how Johnny called Dr. Teeth, Dr. Tooth. lol I would just love to see the whole thing. I heard The Swedish Chef was there too. I love Johnny Carson, and The Muppets with him and Ed McMan's laugh just makes it more fun for me to watch. lol

Just for the record when Kermit says there's nothing between him and Piggy were obviously not suppose to believe him.

This one is recent well it's from last Nov so I guess not so recent but it's still pretty funny. The interviewer is a little stiff but it's still hilarious to see Kermit and Piggy get confused when asked if they'll ever have tadpoles. LOL!

Speaking of wrap tapes, I wonder when someone will re-upload Fraggles Look For Jobs?