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Discussion in 'Muppet Headlines' started by Philip Kippel, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Absolutely. They have a TOON Disney Channel with Ducktales and that kinda stuff on it. Make like a Disney "Classic" channel with the movies, shorts, etc. for adults and leave the Disney Channel now with all kids/tween stuff on it
  2. TheJimHensonHour

    TheJimHensonHour New Member

    I'll agree about the new teen show but Disney isn't the only one doing that sort of thing turn on nick any day of the week you will see bad child actors all over the chanel now.
    And you say you're getting my point but I don't think you are.
    I'm saying I'm not happy with Disney so you don't need to get all negative nancy on me k?
    The Point I'm making is that Disney while the things they are doing with the muppets is crap and lame they are doing more with these new characters they bought than their own core characters in my opinion.
    It's not Just Disney look around you this trend is all over the place.
    Want it to change do something about it and I'm not talking about complaining on a message board.;)
    I agree though and have said this before things they don't plan to release on DVD in the near future should be playing on one of their stations.
  3. No, Disney DOES NOT have as much money as you think they do. I so despise it when people just jump to conclusions like that! :mad:

    There's several possible factors:

    1) Someone else may have purchased the song rights from the previous owners after the Time Life DVDs were released.

    2) Neither side could come to an agreement that pleased both sides.

    3) The rights-holders just didn't want to say "Yes" to Disney for some reason.
  4. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Do you WORK for Disney sir? How much do you PERSONALLY know about Disney's financial situation? I'm sure it's no more than I do, so stop telling me that *I'M* jumping to conclusions when a) you jumped to assume I didn't know what *I* was talking about regarding licenses and b) stop reiterating facts that you can't back up directly! By the way, I just looked at your profile and you're my younger sister's age, so I guess you're not on the up and up regarding Disney and their financial state.......
  5. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Nickelodeon sucks too, just like Disney Channel. My mom doesn't even watch Nick at Nite anymore, and TVLand is getting just as lousy. I GET IT the Muppets have been more in the public eye then Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck but MY point is, what's the difference if Disney isn't going to use the Muppet characters to their full potential? So what if they were on ABC and NBC in one week? Is anyone going to really care/remember that in 30 years from now like we remember certain sketches on the Muppet Show? I think NOT.

    Are we really going to want to watch that home show with the host with the big nostrils to get our Muppet fix? Or The Muppet Movie? It's like comparing apples to oranges. I'd rather not see the Muppets then to see them in lousy things. And yes, I AM a "negative nancy".....
  6. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    Disney Greed and Muppet DVDs

    Honestly, I've always had a tongue-in-cheek view of Disney's corporate structure. Yeah, they're greedy - all successful companies have a healthy level of capitalistic greed. That's what keeps them afloat. Even Jim Henson created a Shrine to the Almighty Dollar because he knew it takes money to make art.

    Anyway, I envisioned the issue with the Muppet Show Season 1 DVD was this: Disney didn't know how much consumer interest the show would generate. Time Life got the rights to all the music for certain shows to be placed three at a time on $19.99 SRP single disk collections. It's much easier to get a profit from that. For a $39.99 SRP holding all 24 episodes on a Disney release - including all the music - could easily be cost prohibitive. :eek:

    Now that Disney realized that these disks make (enough) money, they were able to shell out the cash to music licensors (some of them are greedy uncreative people who inherited the songs as property). It's easy to see Disney as a source of a lot of money, but that's not really how it works. They have share-holders that hold them accountable. :boo:

    I still think there was some kind of waiting-game for the music rights to season two. And that also may have caused the absence of song subtitles (may be seen as literary publishing rights) and a few slight scrimps on features. But hey, we got the shows!

    Just how I perceive the situation. Could be wrong.
    :)
  7. MelissaY1

    MelissaY1 Well-Known Member

    Your explanation is logical. Well if you're wrong, I'm sure "Philip Phil" will point it out;)
  8. frogboy4

    frogboy4 Inactive Member

    I almost look at it as "who's greed wins?" I did hear that Disney wasn't happy with the first season DVD cuts of the Muppet Show. :sympathy:

    I find it interesting that Disney released their Muppet Christmas CD last year - as if there's a shortage of Muppet Christmas music. It's all about how the proceeds are split up. The John Denver and the Muppets: A Christmas Together CD releases have been spotty. Some versions contain cuts, others do not. This sort of thing messes with lots of companies. I wonder if that is why the TV special isn't on home video? :confused: :eek:
  9. dwayne1115

    dwayne1115 Well-Known Member

    Well i thought about it for a long time, and I am finaly posting in this thread. I'm not going to talk about anything, about what Disney should or or if i suport them. All i want to know is where is the story about what is going on with the Muppets and that Brian thinks its really cool. I have looked and looked, and still can't find it.
  10. Drtooth

    Drtooth Well-Known Member

    I say exactly on principle, but the idiot masses gobble these pieces of elephant dung up. I stopped trying to watch 2 minutes of muppet performance per hour of horrid "entertainment" after I tried to watch the America's Phoniest Home Injuries.

    I'm sorry... but the Muppets should be satirizing these programs, not guesting on them. There's a difference between a talk show appearance, and what they did on the Jerry lewis telethon, then putting them on random crappy shows.

    But here's the point. These shows are massively popular. They are putting them out to the masses with these moronic appearances. I will take it back. Disney isn't doing nothing. They're just not doing anything we want to see. We want a TV series, a movie, or at least well thought out appearances on more classy shows.

    All I need ot hear is Miss Piggy and The Biggest Loser in the same sentence and I'll pass out of pure anger.

    I could say something here, but it's pretty much the same thing I've been saying for a while now. Tweenage teeny boppers=money money money. Some braces clad pimply faced girl would rather see some moronic pop based show starring someone in the 20's pretending to be a teenager than well thought out crafted puppetry. This was a market a lot of people were saying wasn't getting represented. Now you have to be a twelve year old girl to be happy with anything on television.

    And let's not forget how Nick and even Cartoon Network are doing these tweencoms now as well. Cartoon Network. Inside Jimmy's Head. Check it out. You'll be crying all night long. I'd rather watch "My Gym Partner's a lab Monkey, purple Monkey Dishwasher" than that.

    Now the only hope is the Family Channel. I mean, buying that gave rise to Disney owning Saban shows (and shoving power rangers in our face even harder than Fox Kids ever did). I am super happy they listened to fan angst and released the Tick. But out of it, nothing happened. You'd think at least in the middle of the day they could rerun MT or TMS there. Add a preschool block of programming and put Muppet babies there at least. But no.

    Finally...

    Out of the millions of things I could blame Disney for, I just can't blame them for that. With the Muppet show, we had character rights (Bert and Ernie), Celebrity rights and music rights. Now, even with the cuts, it could have sold a lot lot more. Even if they could give some money, maybe A) it wasn't enough, or B) the musical rights holders wanted to use the songs for something more important. Like advertising a sleeping drug that causes you tp do random things in your sleep... or a credit card that takes 30 years to pay off a candy bar.

    A lot of these songs were bought or inherited. if the artist came up and said "Look! I decided to give you the rights to the song 30 years ago, but now I changed my mind because I'm becoming a grouchy artist in my old age" I wouldn't say a word. But the recording industry (which manufactures fake "hip Hop" artists, and takes actual artists and strips them of all money the original song writers are due for) is pretty much as evil as the Tobbacco industry. I don't want to go into it. Dealing with them is just... you don't want to know. So it's understandable if they weren't granted the rights or didn't have the money to use a song they somehow were able to use 30 years ago without problem.
  11. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    Guys, LAY OFF THIS THREAD!
    PLEASE! THIS IS GETTING SILLY!

    Mr. Kippel stated that if you disagree then DO NOT POST!
    I'd ask that each of you give some respect to his request.

    This fued is getting archaic!
    Almost as archaic as a silent film!

    Do not bother to post here anymore with your
    comments!

    Mr. Kippel please understand that you posted into Dr. Tooth's thread and that in itself is a lack of respect.

    Let's put the critique aside.

    Please?

    Why is this a lack of respect?
    Well, consider the fact that he stated not to post
    anything if disagreed upon! Dr. Tooth's thread was posted on by Mr. Kippel where an even bigger fire began with Disney!

    Disney is a company that has achieved many successes!
    Perhaps you should be the shareholders and see what money YOU can come up with? Perhaps an executive of Disney where you could understand their 'idiotic' or 'babyish' productions!

    Yes, bad idea it was for Mr. Henson to sell his beloved Muppets.
    Yes, good of Disney because of their potential with the Muppets!
    Yes, they are slow with Muppets!
    Yes, they are actually producing things from the Muppets!

    Geebus, there are always both sides to one company!
    Do not expect that they'll suddenley come out of the blue with a halo on their heads and satisfy our fandom! Do not expect that they suddenley withdraw from the Muppets!

    This is tugging at my nerves!

    Be mature!
    You are adults and yet you act like a child who has not had his nap.

    Maybe I am not very well understood and probably sound like a babbling
    stooge. I only ask that you all put this aside and keep this forum clean of negativity!

    Fozzie Bear keeps the forums free from all this drama and silly critiques!
    Kevin cannot keep track ALL the time so I suggest you all hush!

    Just enjoy the forums.
    This is where Muppet fans gather to share their interests and appreciate the works of fabulous Muppeteers (mainly Mr. Henson).

    I understand what sorts of comeback I will get such as a...

    "It's just a..."

    no it is a...!

    or

    "But..."

    NOPE!

    "Disney this that!"

    I can only imagine what replies I will recieve after this.
    I have quite an idea.
    So...

    go ahead!

    ;)
  12. theprawncracker

    theprawncracker Well-Known Member

    Well Claudia, if you anticipated replies to your post... I bet you didn't anticipate this one. Thank you so much for posting this. You're right, and I think you are very brave and wise for saying it. I say we just leave this thread lie where it is, and be done with it.
  13. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    Disney this!
    Disney that!
    OH CRUEL WORLD!

    :)

    Look, I mean it in the most calming way possible.
    I was not angry when I posted that.
    I was only trying to state that

    Negative Positive

    are always the obstacles in a company.
    I know, I studied years of administration of organization and am currently
    considering a job in inventing--my friend, Ryan (not from here), has been through both sides and well...the company is small but it is still growing.
    We suffer both sides.

    :)

    It happens in many companies.
    Disney is one of them.

    That is all.

    This is a forum where you share your love for the Muppets...
    not a critic paradise or a place to post drama over Disney.
  14. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    I am shocked!
    Thank you Ryan!
    I agree.

    *Huggles*

    Perhaps, I did not predict this one!

    ;)
  15. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    I think critiques are important. If you don't critique every now and then, change will never come. And we are all allowed to post our feelings. But yes, sometimes the debating does get hostile and that is wrong. :)
  16. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    Oh! Certainly!
    Constructive critique that produces results!
    Not the natters of an angered fan.

    But, I only wanted to remind to some the purpose of the forums.

    Thank you, Heralde.

    :)
  17. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Very true. :)
  18. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    ;)

    Ah, everything seems settled!
    Very calming!

    Now, to conquer the world--but the first thing you must have before performing such a task is...

    to get some bunny slippers.
    :p
  19. heralde

    heralde Well-Known Member

    Hehe, well the thing is people are always going to post things we don't like. Sometimes we (and that includes me) need to know when to ignore and keep walking, so to speak. ;)
  20. BeakerSqueedom

    BeakerSqueedom Active Member

    Oh, for certain!
    :)

    That is why you must fight fire with marshmellows!

    Smores anyone?
    :p
    *Munches on one*


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