Do the Muppets have nylon sleeves up to the mouth?

[Rugby]

I ask because I had the chance to work the puppets (not sure if they were 'real' muppets. I'm guessing they were, but they sure did look beat up.) at the Vision of Jim Henson exhibit when it was in St. Paul a year or two ago. They were the alien puppets that were bolted down onto the alien planet stage. You could work the puppets and watch yourself in the monitor below. I had lots of fun. I did notice that they felt great when you put them on your hand. They fit snug and it felt like there was some kind of a nylon sleeve that went up to the mouth. I have always heard that Muppets fit like a glove and that's what it felt like. Toastcrumbs, can you divulge what is used or how this is accomplished?

Thanks!

Rugby

 

[ToastCrumbs]

Neck Sleeve

There really isn't a simple answere to your question, but I would say that for the most part Muppets do have some type of neck sleeve or a channel that leads up to the head. There are many reason why they are in place, but the most obvious one is that it just serves as a quick guide to bring you up to the mouth plate or finger grip when you put them on in a hurry. I believe there was a picture of one or two puppets being prepared for the Master Card spot and in it you saw just Fozzie's head, I think you coud make out part of the sleeve. It may be a good starting point for you, so take a look if you get a chance.
As for the type of fabric used in making the sleeves, all I can say is that the same two are used most of the time. A tip when it comes to pickin' out fabric for your sleeve is that you need it to be strong but also have a little stretch to it, so when it comes time to place your puppet on there's room to slide your arm in with comfort.

 

[Super Scooter]

I've made these "sleeves" for two of my puppets before, and they are so nice to have. It makes it easier to perform, or at least more comfortable to perform because it's a bit tighter, softer, and a better feeling than nasty foam.

 

[Jinx]

Rugby,

I saw and operated those same alien muppets at the "Art of the Muppets" exhibit in Salt Lake City back in the summer of '86! I'm sure that they would be pretty beat up after that many years of use/abuse by non-puppeteers! I remember the sleeve that you mention, and there was a lady attendant there who had several of the sleeves in her hand and was getting ready to change them out for the day. She explained that they were used to preserve the inside of the puppets from excessive wear from being used by so many people each day. So they did not appear to be a regular part of the puppet.

As I recall, the arm rods were incredibly thick and had huge bicycle-type handles attached to them, and only a narrow slot in the set through which they could be operated. I wanted nothing more in the world than to operate that puppet ouside of the set!

 

[Buck-Beaver]

Most professional TV-style puppets do have some kind of arm sleeve. I started building puppets with them a few years ago and have never looked back. The real advantage of them is they allow the head of the puppet to turn independent of the body plus - just like Scooter said - they just feel nice inside the puppet too.

I usually make them out of a non-stretch jersey material - the perforated material that football and hockey jerseys get made from. It's great because it can let your arm "breathe" a little and it does not retain a lot of sweat.

I'd avoid using any kind of heavy material for this. It will weigh down the puppet and make your arm sweat a lot too. Also, I used to make arm sleeves out of a semi-stretchy black material and really regret it now because all of those sleeves have stretched too far.

 

[Rugby]

Wow! Thanks for the info, Jinx! I couldn't believe it when you said 1986! When I was there, I don't think they had the arm rods anymore. Infact I'm sure they didn't. I have pictures I took of the exhibit. I can't remember, but I think I have a picture of the aliens. I could post some pictures if anyone is interested. We also took a priceless picture from behind the stage of me operating one alien and my son, who's 6 now, operating the other puppet. Like father like son!

That exhibit was so cool! It was the first time I had ever seen real muppets in person. I was almost in shock the whole time we were there. I wish I could relive it again. It was the next best thing to meeting Jim Henson, which I always thought I'd get a chance to do before he past away. I still have crazy thoughts of just following my dreams and trying to get a job as a muppeteer. I am really good at transferring and conveying thoughts, actions, and emotions through my hand and am very good at lip syncing and using my thumb instead of doing the 'eye flop' method of mouth movement. Plus, my voice is very versatile. I can imitate almost any muppet voice and have a wide variety of voices I can do with different accents to boot.

Okay, getting WAYYYY off topic. Sorry about that. Got carried away! I just feel it was my destiny to work with the muppets. I'd love to give it a shot. I know I've got what they're looking for.

 

[Jinx]

I know what you mean about experienceing them first-hand. I remember I was in Salt Lake on other business and just happened upon the exhibit. I only had an hour to tour it before I had a meeting to attend, so I was rather disappointed that I didn't get to really savor the experience. I would love to see any pictures you have!

 

[Ryan]

Wow! Thanks for the info, Jinx! I couldn't believe it when you said 1986! When I was there, I don't think they had the arm rods anymore. Infact I'm sure they didn't. I have pictures I took of the exhibit. I can't remember, but I think I have a picture of the aliens. I could post some pictures if anyone is interested. We also took a priceless picture from behind the stage of me operating one alien and my son, who's 6 now, operating the other puppet. Like father like son!

Yes, post pictures please!

 

[BorkBork]

Post pics, post pics :-D

 

[Rugby]

Okay, I'll post some pictures as soon as I figure out what I can use as an image host. Or maybe I'll just make a new web page and link it here so everyone can go to the page and check the pictures out. I'll let you know when it's done.